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[blackbelt1990]

Also there is a new breed that seem to delight in proclaiming"not legal!,ringer!etc"

This is 100% me haha. I won’t ever apologise because if you don’t like it, you should probs just stop trying to palm your ringer off on people you hope don’t know enough

Edited by blackbelt1990, 11 June 2023 - 04:35 AM.

[stuart bowes]

In terms of someone trying to sell a car as something that it isn't, I think everyone would agree with you there, only a mk1 cooper is a mk1 cooper (if that's the sort of thing that matters to you) no arguments there but I don't think that's really what he was getting at

surely you're not the sort of person to go to a show and see a car someone's just spent the last 5 years building to the exact spec that they wanted and sit there having a right moan about how you don't agree with what they did, or do damage to that car while they're not looking out of some insane sense of enraged righteousness.. because that would take a really special type of total c^^t

Edited by stuart bowes, 12 June 2023 - 10:19 AM.

[johnv]

In terms of someone trying to sell a car as something that it isn't, I think everyone would agree with you there, only a mk1 cooper is a mk1 cooper (if that's the sort of thing that matters to you) no arguments there but I don't think that's really what he was getting at

surely you're not the sort of person to go to a show and see a car someone's just spent the last 5 years building to the exact spec that they wanted and sit there having a right moan about how you don't agree with what they did, or do damage to that car while they're not looking out of some insane sense of enraged righteousness.. because that would take a really special type of total c^^t

I think that's exactly what he was getting at. Nobody's going to declare a 5 year restoration 'illegal' or a 'ringer' just because it doesn't have the pre-requisite number of rivets. They might point it out, but that's their problem.

[stuart bowes]

Maybe I misread that part the whole thing of this was 'people at shows' not 'people selling cars' as far as I was aware

 

anyway it seems we're all on the same page lets not labour the point haha

[MiNiKiN]

 

Someone stole my Nickname before I even used it Who is this "Shaun Butler" copy cat?

Nice custom build by the way, which I would have liked back then. Now I have turned righteous rivet counter.
AND: I tend to hate the credit card builds, which ruined so many period and patina cars with their better than new restorations - that's why I avoid those shows.

Edited by MiNiKiN, 19 June 2023 - 11:07 AM.

[Shooter63]

I've got a funny feeling that things are going to get a lot more samey for mini builds at least, and it's all down to the DVLA getting really strict on body mods. There was another case this week of the DVLA seizing a V5 from a girl as she told them take her mini had been converted to a T top some time in its life, all she wanted was the V5 to be correct and now she has no V5 at all. What the DVLA seem to be doing is bringing us into line with the EU. Basically it seems that you cannot alter the main monocoque in any shape or form. As for the shows themselves getting samey, I don't care, if it burns hydrocarbons I'll go and have a look but then again I am a true petrol head. I went to something called the Flywheel at Bicester today, nothing spectacular going on until I found an absolute gem, static running of a merlin, every time I go to a show I find something or someone that makes it worthwhile.

Shooter

[mab01uk]

DVLA’s Dos and Don’ts: The risks of modifying your classic car:-

https://www.hagerty....ur-classic-car/

Edited by mab01uk, 18 June 2023 - 07:16 AM.

[Designer]

Having read that article and the comments made by so many people the question it raises for me is this. A brand new £250,000 RR, or £100,000 Mercedes or £13,000 Dacia are driven off the forecourt by their new owners (with big smiles on their faces) for the first time. Wham Bam thank you mam bloody great HGV hits them damage to the monocoque including a whole punched into it by the HGV broken steering arm. Damaged section cut out new section put in so according to the DVLA the next time the owner drives their new car it should be on a Q plate. How many at the DVLA have had repairs done to their modern cars that have not met the DVLA rules and are still being driven on their original Reg No.

[Lowestoftmodder]

The IVA is passable with a classic mini and we are lucky to have the service as some countries it’s totally banned to modify the car from factory standard.
Repairs with like for like aren’t modifications.

My opinion:

The costs argument - minis were cheap as chips once and yet people would spend thousands modifying them and would never get that “investment” back. Yes minis have more upfront value but the people who modify these cars in a dramatic fashion can often pocket the costs. And the test and compliance costs.
Once you e done it once you’ll see it’s not that difficult.

The people don’t do this anymore - we do and yes we will go through IVA tests as well. We just don’t attend mini shows much.
Lots still modify without the IVA (up to them imo) and if you can get a pre SVA build with proof of build before the new rules/tests came in the you can get the car legal fairly easily.

DVLA/DVSA aren’t actually trying to stop modification, they are making sure the car looks like what it says on the v5 (prob for fines using cameras etc) and that substantial mods meet safety and emission rules.

There is an existing thread regarding the what you can and can’t do on here already, sorry to be a pain but could we please keep the two separate even though the points are still valid and fair.

Thanks

[Shooter63]

The IVA is passable with a classic mini and we are lucky to have the service as some countries it’s totally banned to modify the car from factory standard.
Repairs with like for like aren’t modifications.

My opinion:

The costs argument - minis were cheap as chips once and yet people would spend thousands modifying them and would never get that “investment” back. Yes minis have more upfront value but the people who modify these cars in a dramatic fashion can often pocket the costs. And the test and compliance costs.
Once you e done it once you’ll see it’s not that difficult.

The people don’t do this anymore - we do and yes we will go through IVA tests as well. We just don’t attend mini shows much.
Lots still modify without the IVA (up to them imo) and if you can get a pre SVA build with proof of build before the new rules/tests came in the you can get the car legal fairly easily.

DVLA/DVSA aren’t actually trying to stop modification, they are making sure the car looks like what it says on the v5 (prob for fines using cameras etc) and that substantial mods meet safety and emission rules.

There is an existing thread regarding the what you can and can’t do on here already, sorry to be a pain but could we please keep the two separate even though the points are still valid and fair.

Thanks

Totally off topic but could you post a few pictures of your car up on a new thread as I understand from your previous posts you have the rear set up on a 5 link system, I'd just like to see how you've got on with the roll centre hight problem?

Shooter

[Lowestoftmodder]

The IVA is passable with a classic mini and we are lucky to have the service as some countries it’s totally banned to modify the car from factory standard.
Repairs with like for like aren’t modifications.

My opinion:

The costs argument - minis were cheap as chips once and yet people would spend thousands modifying them and would never get that “investment” back. Yes minis have more upfront value but the people who modify these cars in a dramatic fashion can often pocket the costs. And the test and compliance costs.
Once you e done it once you’ll see it’s not that difficult.

The people don’t do this anymore - we do and yes we will go through IVA tests as well. We just don’t attend mini shows much.
Lots still modify without the IVA (up to them imo) and if you can get a pre SVA build with proof of build before the new rules/tests came in the you can get the car legal fairly easily.

DVLA/DVSA aren’t actually trying to stop modification, they are making sure the car looks like what it says on the v5 (prob for fines using cameras etc) and that substantial mods meet safety and emission rules.

There is an existing thread regarding the what you can and can’t do on here already, sorry to be a pain but could we please keep the two separate even though the points are still valid and fair.

Thanks

Totally off topic but could you post a few pictures of your car up on a new thread as I understand from your previous posts you have the rear set up on a 5 link system, I'd just like to see how you've got on with the roll centre hight problem?

Shooter

Sorry not me mate, must be another extremely handsome bugger

[Lowestoftmodder]

Maybe I misread that part the whole thing of this was 'people at shows' not 'people selling cars' as far as I was aware
 
anyway it seems we're all on the same page lets not labour the point haha

This is part of it, a lot of it is sadly also this forum and others like it.
Only the mini community can make everyone welcome and improve show attendance and diversity