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[yorkshirechris]

sounds about right for modern british society...

"Mrs Holt, a jobless single mother with two other grown-up children who smokes 20 cigarettes a day herself, said giving them out as a reward "works"."

"Works" = Shuts them up for a while!!



.. not sure if I completely agree with National Service. With the type of careers/jobs that your average Joe lands in life these days, National Service isn't really suitable? In the days where most men worked in factories doing hard labour, NS would teach loyalty, discipline and toughen people up a bit to prepare for life. As it goes life is a lot easier these days.

I firmly believe that good discipline starts at HOME with the parents!

But many households don't have a father figure anymore. No-one there to dish out discipline to the kids. Kids end up growing up only knowing the ways of their friends, who they spend more time with anyway, and consequently the same old cycle starts over again (to quote an Offspring lyric).

Edited by yorkshirechris, 21 October 2008 - 09:55 PM.

[mini93]

But many households don't have a father figure anymore. No-one there to dish out discipline to the kids. Kids end up growing up only knowing the ways of their friends, who they spend more time with anyway, and consequently the same old cycle starts over again (to quote an Offspring lyric).

not neccesarily true, iv never met my father and im not exactly going round mugging grannies (just the once..oh and the other 12 times....kidding incase you didnt guess)

[Ethel]

Aren't a sizable proportion of 13yr olds smoking, drinking and having sex anyway? If they're not then things have changed from when I was a teenager.

[landy andy]

Aren't a sizable proportion of 13yr olds smoking, drinking and having sex anyway? If they're not then things have changed from when I was a teenager.

Yep...just the pikey ones with parents on crack. When I was 13 I didnt know anyone who drank or smoke or had sex. I grew up in a rough neighborhood as well.

Todays society has gone limp wristed with it's it B*llsh*t political correctness and fear of disciplining children. I'm not saying that if your child disobeys you that you hit them with a frozen Salmon. But a good slap on the Ass for doing something Bad wouldnt hurt them. KIds run wild because people want an easy life. God forbid they actualy get off their fat ass and spend time with them away from the TV!Some people have them to see if they can save their marrige.Some have them because they see them as fashionable others have them because thats what they actualy want...but they are in the minority. Either way parenting sure seems to be the big issue.

As far as National service goes I must say that I'm supprised that not one person is in favor...kinda proves my point. People have become compacent with Serving your Country. When the banana hit's the fan it seems your glad they are there and give them support via lip service but to actualy go to stand up and be counted...you slink away. Thats weak. BUt to be expected...honor and the sense of Duty died out a while ago. Just thought it would be refreshing to see a new generation of young adults have a sense of national and civic pride..seems not. Hopefully as there is in many groups..the few that actualy do volunteer work in their community and the even fewer that have the courage to fight for their country.

[Juju]

Aren't a sizable proportion of 13yr olds smoking, drinking and having sex anyway? If they're not then things have changed from when I was a teenager.

Yep...just the pikey ones with parents on crack. When I was 13 I didnt know anyone who drank or smoke or had sex. I grew up in a rough neighborhood as well.

I was bunking off school & drinking & smoking in pubs when I was 13 and I grew up in a lovely middle class family with Doctors for parents, who (I assume) were not addicted to any drugs. They were (and still are) addicted to Jesus, unfortunately.

EDIT: LandyAndy - in this country, National pride doesn't really exist. (If it does, it is rare). It is equated with Nationalism, thanks to the BNP.

Edited by Juju, 22 October 2008 - 08:13 AM.

[Git]

EDIT: LandyAndy - in this country, National pride doesn't really exist. (If it does, it is rare). It is equated with Nationalism, thanks to the BNP.

I have pride in my country, I love this land, I just hate the way the Government (and others) run it...or should that be ruin it?

Also, If we ALWAYS had national Service, I don't think we would have quite so many delinquent young adults around as we have today, but re-instating it might not be such a good idea as was mentioned earlier, the fine members of our armed forces would net want to be alongside the said delinquennts when it came to the crunch.

[JohnGordon]

Well I for 1 support national service, As well as the cane and being able to beat your children (that actually sounds quite harsh doesn't it?). I wasn't really beaten as a child mainly due to not stepping out of line because I knew what would happen if I did.
I was drinkin', Smokin' and having sex at 13 but it didn't make me want to go and rob a granny or start a fight with the first person that looked at me. In fact It didn't even make me want to start listening to god awful sped up 'dance (if you could even call it that) tunes'.

I love my country but I am also ashamed of what it has come to, The once great Britania is now a shadow if it's former self or as Bill Baley put it.... 'The nerdy kid that hangs round with the playground bully (America, sorry to offend any Americans but it is true) to look cool'.

Extermination of chav's would be a marvellous idea but unfortunately will never happen, National service would straighten a quite a few out but you would need an option as it has been said to do voluntary work instead but..... In my eyes you would need to prove that you don't need national service, that you have morals, that your actually going to do something with your life i.e going to university.

That swiftly brings me to beating your own kids, Why the hell not, eh? I still remember the story's of my dad and his dad and my great granddad of if you got caned at school and went home crying you would get beaten for getting beaten at school! Ok, so there is a line that can be crossed with this I'm not talking makin' a bloody mess of your child but a few slaps, a couple of turn with the belt that would sort many of the scum walking our streets at an early age. In fact lets allow coppers to hand out beating to the degree they feel serving, oh police brutality I'm going to sue! Yeah well you shouldn't be doing anything to have the police coming anywhere near you, no sympathy!

God this has turned into quite a rant, I'm going to leave it there!

[landy andy]

Well I for 1 support national service, As well as the cane and being able to beat your children (that actually sounds quite harsh doesn't it?). I wasn't really beaten as a child mainly due to not stepping out of line because I knew what would happen if I did.
I was drinkin', Smokin' and having sex at 13 but it didn't make me want to go and rob a granny or start a fight with the first person that looked at me. In fact It didn't even make me want to start listening to god awful sped up 'dance (if you could even call it that) tunes'.

I love my country but I am also ashamed of what it has come to, The once great Britania is now a shadow if it's former self or as Bill Baley put it.... 'The nerdy kid that hangs round with the playground bully (America, sorry to offend any Americans but it is true) to look cool'.

Extermination of chav's would be a marvellous idea but unfortunately will never happen, National service would straighten a quite a few out but you would need an option as it has been said to do voluntary work instead but..... In my eyes you would need to prove that you don't need national service, that you have morals, that your actually going to do something with your life i.e going to university.

That swiftly brings me to beating your own kids, Why the hell not, eh? I still remember the story's of my dad and his dad and my great granddad of if you got caned at school and went home crying you would get beaten for getting beaten at school! Ok, so there is a line that can be crossed with this I'm not talking makin' a bloody mess of your child but a few slaps, a couple of turn with the belt that would sort many of the scum walking our streets at an early age. In fact lets allow coppers to hand out beating to the degree they feel serving, oh police brutality I'm going to sue! Yeah well you shouldn't be doing anything to have the police coming anywhere near you, no sympathy!

God this has turned into quite a rant, I'm going to leave it there!

Yes..all good points. I remeber I got a few swats with the paddle in school when I was a kid and that generaly sorted me out.For a while anyway..lol.

I love England. I am probobly one of the few that will say that out loud as it has been quite popular to run it down and trash talk it. I live in south London and can honestly say that Dave's idea of Roaming death squads is a very good idea as I am currently lulled to sleep by the sounds of Sirens from police that are so underfunded and overworked trying to deal with the African drug scum and Lithuanian money scammers.

However you neednt go far to see what this great country is all about. Just go the Peak or Lake district and see how England used to be and how they still have such a huge amount of civic and national pride and are not put off by what anyone thinks of them for having it.Cornwall and wales and Scotland are all beautiful plces that have chosen to keep the traditions that we are so willing to give away to the newcommers from other lands.There you can see how great a nation we realy are! I was Born here but raised in the the US my whole life and have come to appreciate my home here in the UK. I still think it's great here and if you look hard enough you can see how wonderful it realy is.

Anyway...not sure where I am going with this but hey....what the hell.

[Ethel]

Teenagers are naturally attracted to any activity that's reserved for adults or even just given the kudos of being taboo . Countries that have more relaxed alcohol laws than us don't have the same problems so it must be more complex.

I don't know that taking a little scrote with few prospects and sticking them in the Army for 6 months just to throw them back on the scrapheap would solve all society's ills either. Ex service personnel already make up a disproportionate part of the prison and homeless populations, and that's the one's who volunteered to serve their country.

[duncancallum]

....Dave...please post up your idea as I am always up for alternative punishment ideas.....go on....I dare ya...LOL.

a dare eh?

right then.

Ethnic cleansing.
Hitler had the right idea, but the wrong race. Exterminate the chavs. No half-measures...wipe them out completely.
Britain has one of the highest ( I believe it is actually the highest) population densities in Europe - Average working people are not having families because they cant afford to or because they dont want their children being brought up in modern society, which they cant afford to get out of. The country is overcrowded and the chav element is a massive drain on society.

If you remove the chavs, you remove the problem.
Death squads roving the streets, concentration camps, lines of track-suit clad scumbags being machine-gunned, then their bodies being bulldozed into lime-filled pits and buried.....kill them all.

Anyone on long-term dole, anyone who plays R&B music through a mobile phone speaker in public, any serial criminal offenders, anyone who feels spitting on the floor or littering is acceptable, anyone sentenced to "life" imprisonment, anyone illiterate past the age of 10, anyone claiming phoney disability or other benefit scroungers - have teams of army doctors in the camps, checking for real disabilities. Having a gammy wrist doesnt mean you can sit on benefits for the rest of your life, I know people who manage to do a manual job with a whole arm missing, simply becase they are willing to work. Anyone not willing to pay or work their way in society goes into the pit, as does anyone not willing to integrate in their community.

I would imagine the population of Uk would be reduced by about a third. Social security spending would drop to almost nill, NHS bills and waiting lists would drop, no-win-no fee lawyers would go bankrupt, Elizabeth Duke jewelry would dissappear, and honest people could walk the streets without fear. Reduced spending on nhs and benefits would mean either a reduction in taxes or a massive boost in spending in the community. People will be able to have a family, and bring up their kids in a safer and MUCH more pleasant environment.

Sure, carpet-bombing scummy council estates will take out some non-chav people, but this is an acceptable loss - to make an omlette, you have to break eggs.

I dont see any flaws.












*Awaits knicker-twisting.*

Dave your a genuis, I get in trouble for saying basicaly the same as you.

I came up with an idea: a Chav Warden a van that drives round picking chavs up and if they are not claimed by a parent they are humanly put down and the ones that are returned are spayed to stop them diluiting the gene pool any further.

Unfortunaltey Darwins theory of evolution has stoped and is slowley reversing

[Juju]

I think National Service would have had the opposite effect on me. More discipline & authority after a childhood of schooling would have just provided more for me to kick against. Freedom, responsibility & trust snapped me out of my twuntery.

[Ethel]

Unfortunately Darwin's theory of evolution has stopped and is slowley reversing
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One's own foot in the cross hairs there

Anyways, what would your wardens bait their chav traps with?

[JohnGordon]

Anyways, what would your wardens bait their chav traps with?

freshly stolen matching tracksuits and free hardcore c.d's

[duncancallum]

easy White lightening

[duncancallum]

Unfortunately Darwin's theory of evolution has stopped and is slowley reversing

ah the one thing thats still evolving is the english language lol