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[simong6]

lmao @ bungle

[TJenkos]

take the screens out the wind will then go stright through :smartass:

Pulling you with it :smartass:

[Oldskoolbaby]

Once Ive finished my Mk1, Im putting my charade engine in the back of my spare shell sideways. This will enable me to run the driveshafts up the exhaust tunnel hence not requiring any transfer boxes. Using 2 Land rover Freelander diffs, Ill put the power to all four wheels on original Mini suspension.

To aid cooling, Ill be welding the roof to the lower window seals and venting it for the turbos. Add a tiny front wind screen (couple of inches high at the max) and the arodynamics are pretty much sorted. :erm:

The final piece of the car will be the extensively modded engine. Itll have one IHI turbo and also T3. You maybe wondering how this will work but im fabricating my own manifolds and actuators to work like the latest Vauxhall and BMW deisel turbos. This means Ill have full boost no matter what the revs are at. The crank will have every trick in the book done to it and the rods will be custom made to accept motorbike type pistons. The end result should be between 250-300bhp. :nugget:

This will give me a 300bhp, four wheeldriven, roof chopped mini weighing about 600kg thus giving me 500bhp/tonne.

Im pretty sure this will sort the scoobies out, dont you? :grin:

Its always been my main aim to beat a very good friend who has an evo as you may have guessed.

[Alburglar]

Once Ive finished my Mk1, Im putting my charade engine in the back of my spare shell sideways. This will enable me to run the driveshafts up the exhaust tunnel hence not requiring any transfer boxes. Using 2 Land rover Freelander diffs, Ill put the power to all four wheels on original Mini suspension.

To aid cooling, Ill be welding the roof to the lower window seals and venting it for the turbos. Add a tiny front wind screen (couple of inches high at the max) and the arodynamics are pretty much sorted. :erm:

The final piece of the car will be the extensively modded engine. Itll have one IHI turbo and also T3. You maybe wondering how this will work but im fabricating my own manifolds and actuators to work like the latest Vauxhall and BMW deisel turbos. This means Ill have full boost no matter what the revs are at. The crank will have every trick in the book done to it and the rods will be custom made to accept motorbike type pistons. The end result should be between 250-300bhp. :nugget:

This will give me a 300bhp, four wheeldriven, roof chopped mini weighing about 600kg thus giving me 500bhp/tonne.

Im pretty sure this will sort the scoobies out, dont you? :grin:

Its always been my main aim to beat a very good friend who has an evo as you may have guessed.

err... no chance.
You'll hit 200 perhaps. Then struggle to keep it from blowing up. Plus you'll loose loads of power through that 4wd system.

[Alburglar]

Jammy. I reckon a good option would be a civic type R rear wheel drive with 4wd system like the new panda that will drive the front wheels when the rears spin.

or twin busa car

[Alburglar]

It would also, at the very least need to be de-seamed. Perhaps a minus, a sprint shell would be better because of it's lower roof.

or z-cars can get hold of a space framed fibreglass shell with a body chop:

"Introducing the all new Z Cars Monte Carlo Mini.
It’s not just any Mini. It may look like a Mini but it is exactly there that the similarity stops. It has a Mini shape but nothing more. This is Z Cars own chassis, its own suspension front and rear, its own steering and hubs and its own glass fibre bodyshell. There is nothing more than image about this car that is Mini...except its soul, in character remains very much a Mini!

This makes Z Cars a truly independent manufacturer since it no longer has to use an original Mini bodyshell as the basis of each car. The chassis has been designed and built in house. It is a full space frame with double wishbone front suspension and the time honoured rear trailing arms. It has rose –jointed spring damper units all round. Just behind the driver nestles the heart of the machine – its engine. A 1300cc Hayabusa unit in standard form delivering a shattering 175bhp!!"

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[AlexF2003]

round a track is very different to the 1/4

Miglia's are very very quick round the bends... in fact you can go faster than that with a powerful engine (think 200 bhp turbo or somthing!).

1/4... try a c20let engined mini.... that should jsut about do it

Alex

[Oldskoolbaby]

Sorry to say but the Charade engine can take 200bhp......for a bit. Trust me when I say NOTHING will be standard. Ive done alot of research on these engines and many people have run these figures in other countries but they have not had any bottom end work done to them. When they do go BANG, its never the crank that lets go but the rods and pistons either melting or flying through the side of the block. Or the tiny IHI turbo breaking up or the box stripping fith. As the box is also a weak point on these cars I have solved this as ive got a custom bell housing on the way to accept a Honda box. Itll also be aided as the turbo wont kick in hard like most turbos as itll run similar to a supercharger with the same boost through out the rev range. what I dont understand is how ill loose LOADS of hourse power through the 4 wheel drive system. Its not fancy, Ive just turned the engine 90 degrees and pointed the drive shafts forwards and backwards.

[Bungle]

the powers still going through 2 extra diff though :erm:

[AlexF2003]

4x4 lossess.... easy...

Every time you change the driection of the power (say a diff) you run it through a mechanical system that is not 100% efficient (nothing is!).

So on a mini you losses come from:

Drop Gears => gearbox => final drive => pot joints => CVs => wheel bearings

on a 4x4 you typically have:

gearbox => transfer box => driver shaft to front => final drive => pot joints => CVs => wheel bearings

plus
driver shaft to rear => final drive => pot joints => CVs => wheel bearings



see?!

Alex

[Oldskoolbaby]

Yeah, I new that but it wont be huge amounts as Im not using any transfer gears.

[Alburglar]

It may be about 25bhp. In comparison, standard mini running gear alone loses about 14bhp from flywheel to tarmac.

And I'm afraid your charade engine will be probably not last long. They are nothing special. They just come already at quite a high state of tune, which is why they are popular. You just wont get much more than 200bhp out of it. Run it at 150 / 160 and it will probably last for 100,000miles. 200bhp I'd place money on it being an absoloute pig.

as for 300bhp! Like I say no chance.

Back to the topic

[Alburglar]

JAMMY.
I RECKON THE NEW PANDA KIT WILL BE COMPARIBLE TO NORMAL MINI RUNNING GEAR! SO WELL WORTH CONSIDERING. OR I COULD TALK TO MY COUSIN. THE ENGINEERING FIRM THAT MY HE WORKS FOR MAY DOA CUSTOMS TRANSFER BOX LIKE THE VAN ONE I HAD A GO IN.

[Tompo]

What about a suzuki GSXR1000K5 fastest production motorbike engine ever @ 189bhp De-retard it with a with a power comander and a few tweaks it will make 200bhp and it revs to 15 grand :grin:

[ryan69]

The Z-cars monte carlo does 0-60 in 2.83 seconds and has a top speed of 143.. I heard they were putting it into production.