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[liirge]

i will be using a 295 head on mine because the head cost me nothing and already have it in the shed, and the other reasons are
1. easier to fit (no need to resess valves, pocket blocks etc etc)
2. from what i have read it will produce the same power on a low reving 1100

thats my opinion

Completely agreed!
Calver:
No i haven't got quotes to recess valves, simply because i dont believe its the way it should be done and have never entertained the idea on any of the engines i have built.
Im not going to get into an argument with you as you appear to be quite sensitive over the subject, like we have both said it wouldn't be Fruitful to start name dropping and bring into question other members integrity on this forum, as it would just end up being a pointless slagging match, and no use what so ever to the thread and the OP,i'am going to stick with what i have said on all the threads involving the small bore cylinder head of choice, and the OP will make his or Her mind up based on the points raised by the both of us.

[Calver ST]

Minispecial - apologies this has got way off base, but it seems to me that nothing has changed in the time I've been away from the forums... some types are beligerantly waylaying threads or spoiling for a fight. Now that piston sizes of +80 and +100 thou aer available for the 1098, some very serious performance by the way of torque/drivability is within the bounds of the 1098 - a much maligned motor in my opinion. The dizzy spindle needs modding a little to get these pistons in, the rewards are fantastic. And the insurance costs not as heavy as going 1275. And despite what I hear occasionally - 1275 motors are becoming much rare than they used to be - and a heap more expensive, And there is always the thorny issue of what condition a used motor is in before you throw it in your car. Much like the cylinder head thing (another thread), something like 90% of the 1275 motors I have bought in the last 6 to 8 years would not have lasted 50 miles on the road before failure. Ask Daz Bourbne at Mini Mag, he knows all about this...

Valvebounce - your opinion is spot on. No argument there.

KC

Edited by Calver ST, 25 September 2009 - 11:20 PM.

[liirge]

Minispecial - apologies this has got way off base, but it seems to me that nothing has changed in the time I've been awy fromthe forums... some types are beligerantly waylaying threads or spoiling for a fight. Now that pistn sizes of +80 and +100 thou ar available for the 1098, some very serious performance by the way of torque/drivability is within the bounds of the 1098 - a much maligned motor in my opinion. The dizzy spindle needs modding a little to get these pistons in, the rewards are fantastic. And the insurance costs not as heavy as going 1275. And despite what I hear occasionally - 1275 motors are becoming much rare than they used to be - and a heap more expensive, And there is always the thorny issue of what condition a used motor is in before you throw it in your car. Much lkek the cylinder head thing (another thread), something like 90% of the 1275 motors I have bought in the last 6 to 8 years would not have lasted 50 miles on the road before failure. Ask Daz Bourbne at Mini Mag, he knows all about this...

Valvebounce - your opinion is spot on. No argument there.

KC

You started all this!! sorry that's all im saying, Mods please note i called a ceasefire earlier! End Of

[Calver ST]

Man, I really hate to do this..... the quoting/copy/pasting thing - you (liirge) said (apologies - I haven't the capability to do the flash 'in the box' quote thing)

'On the unleaded deal there aren't that many 940 Heads that are unleaded, you say it, as if it was nearly all of them are unleaded...there not.'
So how do you know/reconcile this then? In the face of my findings on a current/everyday basis on something I do as a living?


'And once again...no one who has done the valve recession bodge, can quote me a price.' But then you said - 'No i haven't got quotes to recess valves, simply because i dont believe its the way it should be done and have never entertained the idea on any of the engines i have built.' Does that make it incorrect without any investigation as I did in my project article?


And then there's 'And David Vizard seems to agree with me on where the torque comes in on a 295... ' On a personal basis? Or based on information that is the best part of 25 years old now?

And I would be very interested in your take on the valve recession/bodge thing and why it wouldn't/doesn't work. Especially as you are willing to quote confidently from a book's information that is more than 25 years old yet will not take what was tested a great deal more recently as being well documented/tested using proper calibration facilities - all because you don't 'believe it is the way it should be done'? Based on what sound testing?

Isn't the point of these forums to help those that ask for it? And isn't that help all the better for being qualified as much as possible by proper testing/development/results than here-say?

[Nightrain]

You are starting to sound a lot like my other best mate/confident/stalker Tony Smith, Sorry - Nightrain.... it's not a wonder the good and truly knowledgeable stay away from forums these days...

Talk about being quick lmfao, interesting comment about the knowledgeable arnold. Especially after those posts you made about AC................

[mini7boy]

it looks like somebody needs to use the spelling checker more often. Either that or a good dictionary.

On the "Stages of Tune" page on cylinder heads, the author obviously doesn't know the difference between the words "breath" and "breathe".
The author meant to use the word "breathe". You'll have to trust me on that.

Are you american or british? Its a common slang to say 'to breath' its not the first time i see that. Whats the matter with that?

I am American, but it has no bearing on this issue. The slang usage you cite may be widely used, but it is wrong.

It's all very simple. As shown in the definitions of "breath" and "breathe" shown at the links below, the word "breath" is a noun and the word "breathe" is a verb.

In the text that follows, the author was exhorting a woman "to breathe" which is a classic usage of a verb

If the woman followed his command to "breathe" she would have taken a "breath".

In the sentence which follows, starting with the words "Modifying the cylinder....." , the word "breath" is also incorrect because in saying "getting it to breath better", the words "to breath"
are another classic usage of a verb, so the correct word is "breathe" as in "getting it to breathE better"

The text I was commenting on was the following:

Cylinder Heads - Breath madam! Breath!!!

Modifying the cylinder head is all about getting it to breath better.

http://www.merriam-w...tionary/breathe

http://www.merriam-w...ctionary/breath

[mini7boy]

You can't help but laugh

it looks like somebody needs to use the spelling checker more often. Either that or a good dictionary.

engines as you pinted out.

Hey Tony.

Laugh all you want.

You of all people are certainly not qualified to mock the spelling of others.

My typing of "pint" was quite obviously a typographical error, not a conscious misspelling.

But of course you can't tell the difference. So what else is new?

Edited by mini7boy, 26 September 2009 - 12:47 AM.

[liirge]

Man, I really hate to do this..... the quoting/copy/pasting thing - you (liirge) said (apologies - I haven't the capability to do the flash 'in the box' quote thing)

'On the unleaded deal there aren't that many 940 Heads that are unleaded, you say it, as if it was nearly all of them are unleaded...there not.'
So how do you know/reconcile this then? In the face of my findings on a current/everyday basis on something I do as a living?


'And once again...no one who has done the valve recession bodge, can quote me a price.' But then you said - 'No i haven't got quotes to recess valves, simply because i dont believe its the way it should be done and have never entertained the idea on any of the engines i have built.' Does that make it incorrect without any investigation as I did in my project article?


And then there's 'And David Vizard seems to agree with me on where the torque comes in on a 295... ' On a personal basis? Or based on information that is the best part of 25 years old now?

And I would be very interested in your take on the valve recession/bodge thing and why it wouldn't/doesn't work. Especially as you are willing to quote confidently from a book's information that is more than 25 years old yet will not take what was tested a great deal more recently as being well documented/tested using proper calibration facilities - all because you don't 'believe it is the way it should be done'? Based on what sound testing?

Isn't the point of these forums to help those that ask for it? And isn't that help all the better for being qualified as much as possible by proper testing/development/results than here-say?

Please see my earlier post...i really am not going to rise to these futile comments, why don't you just accept we are not going to agree on this, so there is no point in going round and round in circles, wasting everyones time....like i have pointed out (i think 4 posts ago) End of.
P.S.
Look at Mini7Boys 2nd link now he's a man who knows, i believe the first paragraph or so pretty much proves my point!

Edited by liirge, 26 September 2009 - 01:22 AM.

[mini7boy]

You are starting to sound a lot like my other best mate/confident/stalker Tony Smith, Sorry - Nightrain.... it's not a wonder the good and truly knowledgeable stay away from forums these days...

Talk about being quick lmfao, interesting comment about the knowledgeable arnold. Especially after those posts you made about AC................

Sorry, Tony.

I only understand English. If you are going to communicate with me, you'll have to use English words even if half of them are misspelled.

Why the reference to AC (Dodd ????) ?

Oh, I get it. Now you think I'm AC Dodd, right? What next, Tony? Will it be Margaret Hatcher?

I sure hope that the administrators/moderators of this forum have noticed who started the latest slagfest.
It sure wasn't me because I have been gone all day(my time) and just started looking at this forum in the last hour or so,
Things had been getting nasty, during my absence, long before then.

Edited by mini7boy, 26 September 2009 - 01:37 AM.

[liirge]

You are starting to sound a lot like my other best mate/confident/stalker Tony Smith, Sorry - Nightrain.... it's not a wonder the good and truly knowledgeable stay away from forums these days...

Talk about being quick lmfao, interesting comment about the knowledgeable arnold. Especially after those posts you made about AC................

Sorry, Tony.

I only understand English. If you are going to communicate with me, you'll have to use English words even if half of them are misspelled.

Oh, I get it. Now you think I'm AC Dodd, right? What next, Tony? Will it be Margaret Hatcher?

Another hallucination? Take your meds and shut up.

I sure hope that the administrators/moderators of this forum have noticed who started the latest slagfest.
It sure wasn't me because I have been gone all day(my time) and just started looking at this forum in the last hour or so,
Things had been getting nasty, during my absence, long before then.

Agreed, and i hope they also realise who the first person to say this and wanted it to stop being a pointless waste of time several hours ago..(by the way the person was me )

Edited by liirge, 26 September 2009 - 01:18 AM.

[Nightrain]

Sorry, Tony.

I only understand English. If you are going to communicate with me, you'll have to use English words even if half of them are misspelled.

Oh, I get it. Now you think I'm AC Dodd, right? What next, Tony? Will it be Margaret Hatcher?

Another hallucination? Take your meds and shut up.

I sure hope that the administrators/moderators of this forum have noticed who started the latest slagfest.
It sure wasn't me because I have been gone all day(my time) and just started looking at this forum in the last hour or so,
Things had been getting nasty, during my absence, long before then.

Quite alright keith

[liirge]

Sorry, Tony.

I only understand English. If you are going to communicate with me, you'll have to use English words even if half of them are misspelled.

Oh, I get it. Now you think I'm AC Dodd, right? What next, Tony? Will it be Margaret Hatcher?

Another hallucination? Take your meds and shut up.

I sure hope that the administrators/moderators of this forum have noticed who started the latest slagfest.
It sure wasn't me because I have been gone all day(my time) and just started looking at this forum in the last hour or so,
Things had been getting nasty, during my absence, long before then.

Quite alright keith

to be fair mini7boy does at least know how to press the Reply button to get the quotation box

[mini7boy]

Minispecial,

first let me say that I am sorry that your request for information got sidetracked by another slagfest.

I listed these links on another thread, but since you are interested in how to tune a 1098, you might do
well to read through these articles.

They were written by Graham Russell of Russell Engineering in Australia. He is one of the leading A-series experts in Australia
and his shop has: an engine dyno, chassis dyno, flowbench, cam grinder, balancer.

He grinds his own cams, ports cylinder heads and builds complete engines for road use as well as for front running Mini racecars.

http://www.minimania...?DisplayID=1881

http://www.minimania...?DisplayID=1882

http://www.minimania...on/ArticleV.cfm

take note of his clever valve adjusting method covered starting near the end of the second article.

[Nightrain]

to be fair mini7boy does at least know how to press the Reply button to get the quotation box

Just a bluff like the proxy server liirge.............

[mini7boy]

to be fair mini7boy does at least know how to press the Reply button to get the quotation box

Just a bluff like the proxy server liirge.............

That's right Liirge.

I also know how to spell the word Geography, something you didn't know how to do until just recently when someone alerted you
that it was spelled "Geograhy" in your profile.

Too funny. We used to have a joke about a student who couldn't even spell his major.

Don't you think that all students would be able to spell their field of study, Liirge?