34 replies to this topic

[Burnard]

I think the reason you wouldnt notice the difference with the 306 is because its designed to work at its best with that setup, no matter what the pad.


it is posible that ive cooked the greenstuffs i guess.

Ive been told good things in the past about both the 1144's and the carbon metalics, but not by anyone who has actually used them

[mini13]

greenstuff's are pants.

I belive the problem is they don't like getting too hot, on the 7.5" setup there is not a great deal of surface area, and you can cook them and they never work the same again,

the 1144's will be much better, but its even possible to fade these

carbon metalics are supposed to be the nuts, but i'm yet to try them.

this is worth a read, pictures on p3

[Burnard]

greenstuff's are pants.

I belive the problem is they don't like getting too hot, on the 7.5" setup there is not a great deal of surface area, and you can cook them and they never work the same again,

the 1144's will be much better, but its even possible to fade these

carbon metalics are supposed to be the nuts, but i'm yet to try them.

this is worth a read, pictures on p3

I think you forgot the link

[taffy1967]

I've had Greenstuff fitted to my Mini (servo assisted 8.4" standard discs up front) for a few years and their still great. I used to always get brake fade on hot days whilst blasting around the mountains, but not with Greenstuff.

[Burnard]

Right, Ive bitten the bullet and bought some mintex 1144's, hopefully their better

Guess works, im driving behind you at L2B since you have so much confidence in them

[Hughes]

700 miles isnt necessarily enough time mate.

Ive had Green stuff on several cars including the Mini and would say you need at least 1000. Did you change the discs at the same time? If u didnt its going to take time for the pad to wear down enough to mate properly with the uneven surface of the disc.

Dont forget as well that motorway miles dont contribute greatly to 'beeding in' time.

PS I would never recommend driving along with the brake pedal on! No matter how light you touch the pedal. Quickest way to glaze a new set of pads.

[HARBER07]

Whatever . Thats how I bedded in my greenstuffs and no sign of any "glazing" or cooked pads......

[mini13]

doh,

forgot the link.

http://www.turbomini...p...t&tid=10387

[taffy1967]

That is very worrying.

So Mintex are the best pads then?

Shame because I like not having any brake dust on my alloys and my Greenstuff pads seem okay.

I guess I'll give Mintex? a whirl then and hope the brake performance is a lot better to compensate for having to invest in lots of 'Wonder Wheels' wheel cleaner.

Edited by taffy1967, 08 May 2010 - 09:22 PM.

[Burnard]

mintex are now fitted and they are much much better.

only issue i have now is that i get a bit of break squeel, i have fitted the little sticky back pads that they come with, but not used any copper grease.

Are there any issues with this, or is it just something they do/ bedding in?

[bunch1980]

Interesting im looking to replace pads soon and most likely discs to on my 93' sprite that has 8.4" discs and stock 2 pot calipers.
I was going to go for EBC blackstuff pads and new stock discs that are like very cheap! or maybe the ones with grooves/dimples
was in a recent mini mag ruond up of braking and the black stuff seemed a good choice for road and not to expensive and have a backing that required nothing on it no grease or anything!

[me madjoe 90]

All you lot complaing about brake fade. Get some Decent Brake fluid.

Its mostlikely the fulid geting to warm, therefor not working as effectivly.

The pads often work a differant tempreatures. But ive heard from lots of people EBC Green STUFF is poor and not what its made out to be. Personaly id stick with standerd pads from a decent manufacturer,Mintex,Unipart,Ect.......

If your still suffering Get some good Discs. The better discs will disopate heat better and work better in high breaking conditions.

There are many disks to choose from.

Grooved are the best in my opinyon as the groves help clear the disk of dust and water, they also aid cooling without weakening the disc to much.
As you are tecnicly removeing some of the brakeing surface you loose some braking capablity when the brakes are cold. But this is made up for once the brakes are in use and warm.

Drilled discs are not as good as groved as the holes can trap dust they also have a lot less of a contact patch. These hole also weaken the disc quite alot. Cheap drilled discs often suffer from fractures when they get warm. Altho they do disopate heat verry well.

Vented Disks are the way to go But these are hard to get on a mini without changing calipers and so on...

Id definatly go for some good Fluid , some decent standerd pads , and groved disks if i was still geting the problems.

Also if you want a decent pedal look into some braded flexi hoses. They do not buldge under presure like the standerd rubber flexi hoses.

bradid flexys may also help to create abetter pedal as the pipes

Edited by me madjoe 90, 19 May 2010 - 01:08 PM.

[The_Mistro]

Interesting im looking to replace pads soon and most likely discs to on my 93' sprite that has 8.4" discs and stock 2 pot calipers.
I was going to go for EBC blackstuff pads and new stock discs that are like very cheap! or maybe the ones with grooves/dimples
was in a recent mini mag ruond up of braking and the black stuff seemed a good choice for road and not to expensive and have a backing that required nothing on it no grease or anything!

on my sprite i have got grooved discs, standard calipers and green stuff pads and the green stuff pads are the best pads i have had so far! i have had standard mintex, which were shocking if you ask me, i had unipart standard pads and they were really good, but the amount of brake dust created was stupid! i felt the difference with the green stuff from the word go! i havent used them hard yet, as they havent bedded in fully yet, but they are without a doubt in my opinion worth the money!

Edited by The_Mistro, 19 May 2010 - 02:11 PM.

[bcjames]

I bought Greenstuffs for my old mini and didn't get on with them. Never seemed to be 'working' properly. I've since changed to Mintex and am much happier with the performance. They stop me well around the town which the EBC never seemed to do, and they dont seem to give an issue blasting it on the B roads. I do get quite a lot of dust with the Mintex though. I might try some different EBC ones next time.

[Burnard]

All you lot complaing about brake fade. Get some Decent Brake fluid.

Its mostlikely the fulid geting to warm, therefor not working as effectivly.

The pads often work a differant tempreatures. But ive heard from lots of people EBC Green STUFF is poor and not what its made out to be. Personaly id stick with standerd pads from a decent manufacturer,Mintex,Unipart,Ect.......

If your still suffering Get some good Discs. The better discs will disopate heat better and work better in high breaking conditions.

There are many disks to choose from.

Grooved are the best in my opinyon as the groves help clear the disk of dust and water, they also aid cooling without weakening the disc to much.
As you are tecnicly removeing some of the brakeing surface you loose some braking capablity when the brakes are cold. But this is made up for once the brakes are in use and warm.

Drilled discs are not as good as groved as the holes can trap dust they also have a lot less of a contact patch. These hole also weaken the disc quite alot. Cheap drilled discs often suffer from fractures when they get warm. Altho they do disopate heat verry well.

Vented Disks are the way to go But these are hard to get on a mini without changing calipers and so on...

Id definatly go for some good Fluid , some decent standerd pads , and groved disks if i was still geting the problems.

Also if you want a decent pedal look into some braded flexi hoses. They do not buldge under presure like the standerd rubber flexi hoses.

bradid flexys may also help to create abetter pedal as the pipes

Thanks for that Joe, but you are wrong one one point, vented disc's are not the way to go on mini's, because the car is so light and has so little power they will never get hot enough to work properly. You will only need them if you have one serious engine under the bonnet.