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[wardyxxx]

and you've got to have a Brit in your team really haven't you.

no......

[Dolly 89]

and you've got to have a Brit in your team really haven't you.

no......

your right you dont have to but Jenson is just a legend so i always have him in my teams. Them 2 should be even closer next race, if jenson wasn't held up by massa he would have deffinitely been 3rd at least. The only reason Jenson had to go off the track was because massa completely shut the door when he was right next to him, the drive through was a little harsh i feel as when the team asked what they should do they got no answer and just got given the drive through a little later

[The_Mistro]

didn't really help that Massa was deliberatly? holding up Jenson

How was Massa deliberately holding up Button, he was defending his position, which I think any driver is entitled to do. Button had to go off the track to get passed and got a deserved drive through.

dont talk out of your backside! he didnt deserve a drive through! the replay i saw, jenson just had his nose ahead, massa steered towards him forcing jenson to drop back and cut the corner, ferrari being the unsporting type they are, then ordered massa to drop back so jenson couldnt even give him his position back, then pit him!

[Dolly 89]

didn't really help that Massa was deliberatly? holding up Jenson

How was Massa deliberately holding up Button, he was defending his position, which I think any driver is entitled to do. Button had to go off the track to get passed and got a deserved drive through.

dont talk out of your backside! he didnt deserve a drive through! the replay i saw, jenson just had his nose ahead, massa steered towards him forcing jenson to drop back and cut the corner, ferrari being the unsporting type they are, then ordered massa to drop back so jenson couldnt even give him his position back, then pit him!

thats exactly as i saw it but i reasonable position in the end under the circumstances, you win a championship on your bad days and with results like that on a bad day is a very good result.

[MintecMiniSpares]

didn't really help that Massa was deliberatly? holding up Jenson

How was Massa deliberately holding up Button, he was defending his position, which I think any driver is entitled to do. Button had to go off the track to get passed and got a deserved drive through.

I did put a question mark after deliberately. I don't know if he was or was just defending very heavily but ether way it made quite and impact on Button's race. I just felt it was a little unsporting to be driving like that only a couple laps into the first race of the season. But I do respect that F1 isn't really a sport anymore and places mean money to teams. The pressure put on drivers to perform must be immense i'm sure Massa is no exception to that.

Did amuse me that Button couldn't pass with the DRS! Although Melbourne is a short start straight.

Can't wait till Malaysia

[Dolly 89]

didn't really help that Massa was deliberatly? holding up Jenson

How was Massa deliberately holding up Button, he was defending his position, which I think any driver is entitled to do. Button had to go off the track to get passed and got a deserved drive through.

I did put a question mark after deliberately. I don't know if he was or was just defending very heavily but ether way it made quite and impact on Button's race. I just felt it was a little unsporting to be driving like that only a couple laps into the first race of the season. But I do respect that F1 isn't really a sport anymore and places mean money to teams. The pressure put on drivers to perform must be immense i'm sure Massa is no exception to that.

Did amuse me that Button couldn't pass with the DRS! Although Melbourne is a short start straight.

Can't wait till Malaysia

He was deliberately holding him up, he wasnt stopping him passing by accident was he, what you said was right

[Beej123]

Massa is entitled to the racing line, simple as that. Barrichello did the same as Button later on in the race but there was no run off.
Button got a drive through penalty for gaining an advantage outside of the track limits and thats exactly what happened!

He is a top driver but made a stupid mistake.

[miniQ]

To many people judging the rear wing lol... It just the flippin first race rofl...

Just like everyone was judging McLaren pre season...

Malaysia - 2 long main straights... and we will see the difference...

[surfblue63]

didn't really help that Massa was deliberatly? holding up Jenson

How was Massa deliberately holding up Button, he was defending his position, which I think any driver is entitled to do. Button had to go off the track to get passed and got a deserved drive through.

dont talk out of your backside! he didnt deserve a drive through! the replay i saw, jenson just had his nose ahead, massa steered towards him forcing jenson to drop back and cut the corner, ferrari being the unsporting type they are, then ordered massa to drop back so jenson couldnt even give him his position back, then pit him!

Button could have lifted when he was off the track and ensured that Massa was ahead when he regained the track, but alas he did not. he tried to gain an advantage and got caught out. Yet another case of the McLaren team trying to bend the rules of the track and not getting away with it.

By the way, take another look at the helecopter replay (about 18'30" into the highlights on iPlayer), Button was not ahead when he left the track, and Massa had given him room. Look at the line that Massa takes into the corner. I think Button knew what he was doing and has taken lessons from Hamilton.

Edited by surfblue63, 28 March 2011 - 06:22 PM.

[MintecMiniSpares]

I surpose at the end of the day Button finished in front of Massa anyway so he didn't gain a lot. Was good to see someone really hounding the car infront to overtake, just a shame it wasn't a clean pass.

[surfblue63]

It was a good battle, and hopefully with all the extra gadgets and the short life tyres there will be more of it as the season progresses.

[The_Mistro]

Massa is entitled to the racing line, simple as that. Barrichello did the same as Button later on in the race but there was no run off.
Button got a drive through penalty for gaining an advantage outside of the track limits and thats exactly what happened!

He is a top driver but made a stupid mistake.

a drive through isnt the penalty for gaining an advantage, giving the place back is! but ferrari played dirty again!!

[surfblue63]

a drive through isnt the penalty for gaining an advantage, giving the place back is! but ferrari played dirty again!!

16.3 The stewards may impose any one of the penalties below on any driver involved in an Incident :
a) A drive-through penalty. The driver must enter the pit lane and re-join the race without stopping.
b) A ten second time penalty. The driver must enter the pit lane, stop at his pit for at least ten seconds
and then re-join the race.
c) A time penalty.
d) A drop of any number of grid positions at the driver’s next Event.
e) A reprimand.
f) Exclusion from the results.
g) Suspension from the driver’s next Event.

And how did Ferrari play dirty? I didn't see their cars leave the track to get an advantage. Button should have lifted off and let Massa pass him when he was off the track, he wouldn't have got the penalty then and probably would have passed Massa during the pit stops.

[Dolly 89]

a drive through isnt the penalty for gaining an advantage, giving the place back is! but ferrari played dirty again!!

16.3 The stewards may impose any one of the penalties below on any driver involved in an Incident :
a) A drive-through penalty. The driver must enter the pit lane and re-join the race without stopping.
b) A ten second time penalty. The driver must enter the pit lane, stop at his pit for at least ten seconds
and then re-join the race.
c) A time penalty.
d) A drop of any number of grid positions at the driver’s next Event.
e) A reprimand.
f) Exclusion from the results.
g) Suspension from the driver’s next Event.

And how did Ferrari play dirty? I didn't see their cars leave the track to get an advantage. Button should have lifted off and let Massa pass him when he was off the track, he wouldn't have got the penalty then and probably would have passed Massa during the pit stops.

They plaid dirty by letting alonso straight past massa so if button did let masss past alonso would have had to come through aswell, also when mclaren ask the stewards what to do they got no response which is why I think it was rather harsh to give a penalty for it.
Of course massa is entitled to take his line he did nothing wrong really with what he did keeping button behind but how can anyone say he didn't do it on purpose he knew button was faster, he didn't do anything wrong though obviously every place counts but no one can say he didn't do it on purpose surely.

[surfblue63]

...also when mclaren ask the stewards what to do they got no response which is why I think it was rather harsh to give a penalty for it.

That's always McLarens excuse, "Let's ask Charlie what he thinks, we might get away with". I bet Charlie Whiting and the Stewards are fed up with McLaren asking them about the rules during a race. When will McLaren learn that they can not get away with over taking off the track.