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#31 mab01uk

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 11:29 PM

doesnt exactly win you fans in the community you are trying to win over though does it! there not exactly doing them selves any favours! its not as if BMW are going to be selling Mini shaped magnets though is it!? they dont give 2 hoots about the classic mini! they even tried to take legal actuon against haynes! against an image that had been copyrighted by haynes for years!


Ex-editor of Miniworld magazine Monty Watkins interviewed John Yea Managing Director of BMH (British Motor Heritage Ltd) about this topic back in the Summer 2010 edition...........

Extracts from MW article below:
"John Yea of 'British Motor Heritage' (BMH) defends BMW's policy on protecting the Mini brand saying they have put a lot of effort into the BMH company when it was privatised in 2001 and facilitated the move of all classic Mini tooling to BMH with their full encouragement, permitting the continued supply of bodyshells and genuine replacement body panels and subframes. He thinks a lot of classic Mini people are being misled. BMW have a lot of respect for the Classic Mini and they have tried very hard to get their managers to understand. They are very concerned how they are perceived by the classic Mini world but the Mini brand is extremely important and must be protected against imitations. A lot of genuine parts are no longer available and people should be ashamed at some of the stuff thats out there. For example, the genuine Rover Mini subframes had a minimum number of spotwelds deemed to be safe, researched in much detail. Cheap aftermarket copies have fewer spotwelds and people need protecting from this. Part of our role is to assist BMW, Licensing is to maintain quality. The problem we have now is that an awful lot of stuff is coming in from super cheap sources. BMW lawyers are looking for abuses of the logos and the brand and legal letters are intentionally intimidating, clearly stating the rights being contravened. If you get the letter please stop selling and tell us who manufactures the products in question. Manufacturers should come to BMH to assess the quality of the product, if quality is good enough but sales very small, we would probably charge a peppercorn sum, rather than a percentage of the wholesale price. Small scale makers should come and talk to us first if quality is good."

BMW must approve use of Mini trademarks and logos, Triumph and Riley are also retained by BMW.
SAIC in China need to approve anything Austin, Morris, Wolseley and MG.
Tata in India own Land Rover and also own the Rover brand (originally bought off BMW by Ford).

BMH - Marques, Trade Marks, Copyright & Part Numbers:
http://www.bmh-ltd.c...marks-useof.htm

British Motor Heritage Limited is the licensee of a number of famous British classic car marques.
Each of these marques has a unique identity made up of outstanding qualities or values for which it is recognised and are expressed through a variety of names, emblems and other designs used for the various models which make up the history of a particular marque.
As an example, for MG there is the MG name, the famous MG Octagon badge, and model names such as MGB and Midget, whilst for Mini there is the name Mini and Mini Cooper and the shield emblem together with the wings logo and the original vehicle shape.

Edited by mab01uk, 05 February 2012 - 11:34 PM.


#32 F1L8EY

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 11:58 PM

Im a massive classic mini fan (i think most peopleon here are) borderline slightly obsessive/fanatic. However i do think that BMW tried in the design to re-create as many of the original features of the classic mini in a modern car. (as reasonably possible)

i Own (dare i say this) an 2009 (BMW) Mini cooper S, and it shares many carateristics with the classic that i grew up to know and love. sharp hadeling, driving possition, steep windsheild, dash center clock, minimal ******* in the interior, enough options when buying to customise your mini and make it unique, like a real mini. each one with its own style.

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Shes my baby and that chineese crap doesnt even come close!! she just needs a baby sister to sit alongside her on the drive now!!

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Posted 06 February 2012 - 12:00 AM

I liked it?

#34 mab01uk

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Posted 06 February 2012 - 12:06 AM

Hmmmm, really hard to spot the difference........I wonder if the pink one handles as well as it looks! :lol:

This is probably the kind of car built in China that the Mini name would be used on if BMW had left the Mini and its brand heritage with MG Rover or 'Roewe' as it is now known....... :ohno:

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However it seems that some Chinese motorists have also spotted the difference!

BMW, Mini China sales up 37.6pc in 2011
BEIJING: German luxury car maker BMW AG said it sold 232,586 BMW and Mini cars in China in 2011, up 37.6 percent.
Sales of BMW brands rose 37 percent to 217,068 cars, with Mini sales up 47.7 percent to 15,518, it said in a statement.
http://www.reuters.c...E8CD0HI20120113

China is becoming an increasingly important market for MINI:
http://www.motoringf...uto-china-2010/

Edited by mab01uk, 06 February 2012 - 12:09 AM.


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Posted 06 February 2012 - 12:15 AM

mab01uk.......clearly better at searching for infomation on the net than me. i knew there was evidence to back up what i was trying to point but your clearly the king at finding stuff.

i love the classic, the BMW MINI is growing on me more everyday buuut that chinese car is a joke.

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Posted 06 February 2012 - 12:47 AM

I'd much rather have a BMW mini than that yellow thing. Looked like a toy car.

Could say the same thing about the classic Mini. ;)

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Posted 06 February 2012 - 01:11 AM

I'd buy the MINI as it is made in Britain.

Come to think of it, I all ready have.

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Posted 06 February 2012 - 01:29 AM

I was tempted by the BMW Countryman All4 until I read how its four wheel drive system worked...

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Posted 06 February 2012 - 01:36 AM

That yellow thing makes the Bini Scooper look beautiful!!!!!

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Posted 06 February 2012 - 01:58 AM

all this BINI hatreds way overrated. its not like its a replacement for the mini is just a company that took advantage of the minis iconic brand and used it to carry on its legacy. lets face it there to different for someone to buy a new mini to replace there old one, new minis in my opinion are definitely in the top 3 sporty cool looking hot hatches out today. the only thing i do dislike is having to type in "old" or "original mini" into google as just "mini" comes up with new pictures.

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Posted 06 February 2012 - 02:21 AM

as i have said before, if honda made a mustang, would it still be an american muscle car!? no it wouldnt, and for this same reason a MINI isnt a Mini! yeah they mooved the tooling, then used an MPI sportspack to advertise the scrappage scheme! again, really sending out the right message!

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Posted 06 February 2012 - 07:44 AM

as i have said before, if honda made a mustang, would it still be an american muscle car!? no it wouldnt, and for this same reason a MINI isnt a Mini! yeah they mooved the tooling, then used an MPI sportspack to advertise the scrappage scheme! again, really sending out the right message!


The scrappage MPI was done independently by a MINI Dealer in Scotland without permission and was quickly stopped by BMW when it was pointed out by Miniworld mag.

Is a Skoda still a Skoda or is it now a VW?
Is a Bentley still a Bentley or is it now a VW?
Is a Jaguar still a Jaguar or is it now a Tata?
Is a Rolls Royce still a Rolls Royce or is it now a BMW?

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Posted 06 February 2012 - 08:01 AM

But Rover designed the Bini, and BMW paid for my MPi to be produced. All is fair :lol:

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Posted 06 February 2012 - 08:29 AM

yeah they mooved the tooling


You shrug that off as if it was nothing. Most manufacturers just scrap the tooling.
How much harder would it be to restore a mini if you couldn't get any heritage panels at all?

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Posted 06 February 2012 - 09:19 AM

i reckon its great that BMW haven’t managed to get it stopped from being manufactured! Serves them right shutting down all the Mini orientated business'!


I'm sure that BMW actually had no intention of getting manufacture of it stopped. Having a rival like that grotesque thing, is only going to drive small car buyers toward BMW and their Bini, as they run in horror away from that Chinese monstrosity. :lol:

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