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#61 firstforward

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 10:49 PM


Well the bike I ride in my opinion has pretty much the best brakes on a bike you can get, but a bike will never out brake a car, correct me if I am wrong but I think you will find a lot of bike accidents happen at a weekend with riders that only ride weekends. I might be considered in that category and from my experience a lot ride way too fast at times including myself. That said every near miss I have had is not so much down to speeding; it’s always been in town riding where drivers or even pedestrians simply do not see me and that’s when riding at a slower speed.


A very skilled driver will tell you that you should have 'near misses' almost never as you should be anticipating the actions of other road users and be 'spatially aware' at all times.


Surely you are not saying all bike riders are unskilled?

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 11:05 PM

Not bothered about 20 in urban areas; I'll get there eventually. The number plates are getting taken off for country drives, however.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 11:32 PM

Not bothered about 20 in urban areas; I'll get there eventually. The number plates are getting taken off for country drives, however.


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But I like the idea. Anyway, drives on interesting roads will not be an issue as any new 'blanket' limits on little-used roads will not and cannot be policed.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 11:37 PM



Well the bike I ride in my opinion has pretty much the best brakes on a bike you can get, but a bike will never out brake a car, correct me if I am wrong but I think you will find a lot of bike accidents happen at a weekend with riders that only ride weekends. I might be considered in that category and from my experience a lot ride way too fast at times including myself. That said every near miss I have had is not so much down to speeding; it’s always been in town riding where drivers or even pedestrians simply do not see me and that’s when riding at a slower speed.


A very skilled driver will tell you that you should have 'near misses' almost never as you should be anticipating the actions of other road users and be 'spatially aware' at all times.


Surely you are not saying all bike riders are unskilled?


No, not at all. I'm saying that really experienced drivers don't have 'near misses' very often as their experience enables them to predict the errors of others. Bike riders are usually good at this because they have to be, in the same way as bike riders are always more aware of the road surface than most car drivers. The old police driver and rider training taught that accidents are simply not acceptable and a Met Police Class One Driver/Rider was indeed very, very safe in all conditions.Things may well be different now and the police do seem to be only about average as drivers and riders.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 12:05 AM

I don't see what there planning to achieve here, if anything this could have a negative effect. I think many young less experienced drivers flock to the country roads for the same reason I do, and that's to escape the slow road, slow traffic, pedestrians and speed cameras. I find urban driving stress full and tiring, Rural driving to me is relaxing. Lowering the speed limit will just force more people out on to the country roads so surely this means the potential for collisions will increase again?

The problem on country roads is that alot of people seem to think that because 60mph is the speed limit, they have to do it constantly. Moderation, forward planning mixed in with a good dollop of COMMON SENSE will reduce the death toll alot more that 40mph limits that will blatantly be ignored. A road me and my mates used to enjoy driving on has now been reduced to 50 and averaged as a result 3 lads killing themselves after attempting to over take on a blind corner and swerving off the road over a drop after seeing the oncoming car. At the end of the day, it isn't the road that is dangerous, it is simply the driver that is dangerous and poor decision making can lead to fatalities, but not every motorist should have to suffer, the people who have made the poor decision decided there and then to gamble their life and they are the only ones who should have to suffer as a result of it.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 12:38 AM

so they want to limit town driving to 20mph and reduce country lanes to 40 then increase the motorway speed limit to 80mph.

some idiot politician out there must have a serious grudge against minis.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 10:05 AM

What i've never got is how can a twist, windy, bumpy poorly or miss matched surfaced b road with blind corners, junctions, trees, etc be 60mph. But a wide open single or even dualcarage way with a better maintained road surface is 50mph.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 10:34 AM

That's not comparing like for like. The national limit for cars is 60, 70 on dual carriage ways. Either can be limited to less.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 11:01 AM

What i've never got is how can a twist, windy, bumpy poorly or miss matched surfaced b road with blind corners, junctions, trees, etc be 60mph. But a wide open single or even dualcarage way with a better maintained road surface is 50mph.


The slower the speed limit on a road the smaller the safety gap you can have between cars. You can therefore have a denser flow of traffic. The A roads will be used more so need to have a denser volume of traffic to keep them moving. That is why the m6 speed limits change to 50 mph usually in rush hour as they can get more cars on the motorway. It may slow you down a bit but prevents stop start traffic which is actually slower overall.

As others have said, just because the limit is 60 doesn't mean you have to travel at 60. There are only two lanes near me that you can actually do 60 mph on. All the rest you would be lucky to hit 40 mph even though all of them are set at the nation speed limit.

My problem is when they put unnecessary speed limits on roads. Each road sign has been put up at tax payers cost. The school near me is right on a cross roads that you have to stop down for anyway. Was it really necessary to put a 30 mph limit for a mile in every direction around it, then repeater signs every 200 yards and paint 30 mph signs on the road. The 'school' sign worked for years (still does work anyway). The accidents that have occurred on that road are at the other end where it joins the main road.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 01:58 PM

The simple fact of the matter is that not all drivers are of the same ability or experience and you therefore have to have a set of rules for everyone. If you choose to break these rules, don't complain with fines or points etc. The law is the law, it's that simple. No one should be above it and if you don't like it, move to another country.

Bear in mind there are also many different types and age of vehicle on the road. Modern cars can stop in much shorter distances than old cars, so should there be different speed limits for them?

I also find it funny that most people on here seem to think they are a good driver just because they drive an old car?

If you don't like the driving laws, or intend to constantly break them, use public transport or sod off. Quite frankly, the sooner all these people who claim they will ignore the speed limit get their 12 points and banned, the better.

Having said all this, I don't think there is an overwhelming need to change the limits in place, other than potentially 80 on motorways. Variable speed limits on motorways pisses me off more than the limits around town.

Edited by Black.Ghost, 18 July 2012 - 01:59 PM.


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Posted 18 July 2012 - 02:47 PM

I also find it funny that most people on here seem to think they are a good driver just because they drive an old car?


True. Ask most people how they would rate themselves as a driver on a scale of well below average, below average, average, above average and well above average and most people will say above average which is statistically impossible.

I personally don't think we will ever see speed limits on motorways being increased to 80. My dad said every so often they come up with this idea and within a year or so the idea is scrapped.

I also don't see them changing the speed limits on rural roads to 40 mph and towns to 20 mph. Think of the number of speed limit signs they would have to change and road markings they would have to change, along with the extra police to enforce it. All of this will cost tax payers money, which will annoy people (already has done) forcing more people to cut back and cheat taxes etc to be abel to afford to live. It will cost businesses loads, putting some out of businesses which will eventually cost tax payers more money which they do not have. Try adding the cost onto the motorist and it will cause strikes and more people not to bother paying road tax and hence insurance. Mean while we are in a recession and our country is trying to reduce its debt, not increase it by spending large amounts of money on changing the road network unnecessarily.

Our road network works (kind of). The people who drive dangerously and recklessly will continue to do so, whether or not the speed limits are changed.

As for variable speed limits on the motorways they do work. They do keep it moving when its busier. I do however hate the average speed cameras. They are not needed just the variable speed limit. You end up spending more time looking at your speedo instead of the road. Worse still you hit 50 mph zones due to road works when nobody is working on them because it is 2 o'clock in the morning (or any other time during the day).

I reckon they should include more country lane driving in the driving tests. You can always tell the people who live out in the country side and the ones that don't by the way they drive. Country folk look a head a lot more and will pull into gateways etc earlier or match their speed so that they pass at the wide points and save time. People who aren't always try and pass you at the most inconvenient places. I am for ever reversing back to let people past as its quicker than trying to struggle past them at the narrow points (even done it once with a trailer). Every so often we get people who fall in the ditches round my roads when they try and pass people at really narrow places. The look on the car's owners as the farmers drag them out and the tow ropes bend their front bumpers. Serves them right. A change in the speed limit won't solve this just better driver training.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 03:41 PM

Driver training will help, but not as much as some may believe, I dont honestly think that a 17 year old with his 18 inch wheeled 12 inch wide exhaust and 19 trillion watt Radio in his chaved up 1.0L whatever. will take a blind bit of notice to the new speed limits..He will happily go through whatever training you like, get his cheaper insurance, stick two fingers up to the instuctor and wheel spin off to KFC...
Its a mentallity issue we are dealing with here as much as a legality issue, I respect all the opinions voiced in this thread. Well most of them anyway.
But untill we can get young drivers to understand that it takes years of experience before you can call yourself a half decent driver, we will be scraping them off the road for many years to come.
Im not saying all young drivers are rubbish..I would class myself in the lower region of drivers and im 49..But being able to go at 90 down a country lane does NOT make you a good driver, It makes you a fool..

Edited by AndyMiniMad., 18 July 2012 - 03:43 PM.


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Posted 18 July 2012 - 03:52 PM

In our defence, if you drive a Mini it's likely you have an interest in driving rather than just getting from A to B, or the mind set that seems to go with a "Max Power" chavmoblie.

Lower motorway speed limits increase traffic flow even without the stop start effect. Shorter gaps, for safe stopping distances, increase the traffic density more - 6 cars @ 50 is more flow than 4 @ 70 on the same stretch of tarmac.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 05:23 PM

this is a rediculous affair... and after all the comotion about them possibly putting motorways to 80.... jeez
im going to get clocked on my bmx

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 07:10 PM

Where has everyone heard this from? I've not seen anything in the news about it.




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