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[Bungle]

it's in black and white on the gov.uk web site about loosing the vehicles identity if the monocoque is modified, look for your self

the only question that they can't all agree on is what bits of a mini are it's monocoque, the front panel and wings seem ok to remove but it seems like they want the inner wings or at least most of them in place

bulkhead mods are a no no 100%

[dave-88_123]

if strength is nothing to do with it then hows it apply to the monocoque which is all about strength most of the inner wings are retained as they start at the door hinge mounts also the teardrops mounts are on the front panel and are then tied into the inner wing so that makes no sense again this is down to your opinion of the minis monocoque not fact as no one nows which is the point im trying to make if no one knows the you dont so how can you give advice on it

[Minidarren83]

the front panel and wings seem ok to remove but it seems like they want the inner wings or at least most of them

Well there it is ay in black and white I would say that more than 50% of the inner wing still remains when the floppy bit is removed. More than 50% is legally most of the panel thanks for the info bugle I feel good now knowing my car is 100% legal with its remaining inner wings. There is no strength issue and now by your own admission whether you wanted to or not there is no longer a identity issue, or is that just how YOU see that bit black and white text to be?

[Bungle]

you might say 50% but the question is would the DVLA ?

TheMat of a previous topic posted he did his vauxhal conversion the right way and informed the DVLA of his mods, there is more than 50% of his inner wings still in place and might be able to give you a more accurate percentage

have you run your 50% removal past them ?

[Bungle]

if strength is nothing to do with it then hows it apply to the monocoque which is all about strength most of the inner wings are retained as they start at the door hinge mounts also the teardrops mounts are on the front panel and are then tied into the inner wing so that makes no sense again this is down to your opinion of the minis monocoque not fact as no one nows which is the point im trying to make if no one knows the you dont so how can you give advice on it

the DVLA are only worried about the vehicles identity, is this car still a mini or a home made hybrid

but what you put back in the way of strength will effect the MOT

[Minidarren83]

you might say 50% but the question is would the DVLA ?

TheMat of a previous topic posted he did his vauxhal conversion the right way and informed the DVLA of his mods, there is more than 50% of his inner wings still in place and might be able to give you a more accurate percentage

have you run your 50% removal past them ?

It would be good to get a figure of how much is left by working out the sqr inch surface of a full inner wing and then the same of a cut down one to really see the difference that way we could really put the issue to bed so to speak.

Can anybody out there help with this by working out the surface area of a full inner wing panel?

[samsfern]

if strength is nothing to do with it then hows it apply to the monocoque which is all about strength most of the inner wings are retained as they start at the door hinge mounts also the teardrops mounts are on the front panel and are then tied into the inner wing so that makes no sense again this is down to your opinion of the minis monocoque not fact as no one nows which is the point im trying to make if no one knows the you dont so how can you give advice on it

the DVLA are only worried about the vehicles identity, is this car still a mini or a home made hybrid

but what you put back in the way of strength will effect the MOT

I think youll find iva's have more to do with vosa than the dvla....

[Minidarren83]

if strength is nothing to do with it then hows it apply to the monocoque which is all about strength most of the inner wings are retained as they start at the door hinge mounts also the teardrops mounts are on the front panel and are then tied into the inner wing so that makes no sense again this is down to your opinion of the minis monocoque not fact as no one nows which is the point im trying to make if no one knows the you dont so how can you give advice on it

the DVLA are only worried about the vehicles identity, is this car still a mini or a home made hybrid

but what you put back in the way of strength will effect the MOT

I think youll find iva's have more to do with vosa than the dvla....

Ooossshhhh good shot there right in the mangina lol

[mini93]

well... brace bars then eh....

Personaly i didnt fit any before when my mini was last on the road... Ill be making some tubular ones up before it hits the road next time... partly just to hang some ancillaries off

[Bungle]

if strength is nothing to do with it then hows it apply to the monocoque which is all about strength most of the inner wings are retained as they start at the door hinge mounts also the teardrops mounts are on the front panel and are then tied into the inner wing so that makes no sense again this is down to your opinion of the minis monocoque not fact as no one nows which is the point im trying to make if no one knows the you dont so how can you give advice on it

the DVLA are only worried about the vehicles identity, is this car still a mini or a home made hybrid

but what you put back in the way of strength will effect the MOT

I think youll find iva's have more to do with vosa than the dvla....

no the identity of a vehicle is down to the DVLA , the clue is in the name Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency

[Bungle]

you might say 50% but the question is would the DVLA ?

TheMat of a previous topic posted he did his vauxhal conversion the right way and informed the DVLA of his mods, there is more than 50% of his inner wings still in place and might be able to give you a more accurate percentage

have you run your 50% removal past them ?

It would be good to get a figure of how much is left by working out the sqr inch surface of a full inner wing and then the same of a cut down one to really see the difference that way we could really put the issue to bed so to speak.

Can anybody out there help with this by working out the surface area of a full inner wing panel?

we need someone with the inner wings cut away to be brave enough to ring DVLA and say i think my car fails the 8 points system do you want a look

any takers ?

[samsfern]

Vosa, vehicle operating services agency, ministry of transport. These are the people who decide whether the modifications are safe or not, then justsend the dvla a letter telling them the identity looks ok, just to shut them up.

[Bungle]

but we aren't talking mods we are talking vehicle identity

[dave-88_123]

no we are talking mods thats the point the dvla only deal with paper work and never come into contact with cars removing part of the inner wing that does nothing is not making the car a hybrid there conserne is people having a spaceframed car with a crazy engine and custom floor pan and a mini outer skin on top thats a hybrid car again this still comes down to your personal opinion and dislike of the mod theres no need to go on about it when you might not be right and the area of the inner wing left is a fair bit more that 50%

[Artful Dodger]