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[Cooperman]

Yes, it includes the X-Type which is a Mondeo in drag really, but very attractive 'drag'.
I have a BMW 730D which gives around 33 mpg overall.
I sometimes think that the current range of common-rail diesels are an engine problem looking for somewhere to happen.
Many do huge mileages, but then you look on the owners web-sites for a particular model, and find all sorts of potential issues which could scrap the car.
The Delphi diesel pump can fail on Ford, Vauxhall, Renault, Citroen, etc., and cause damage of around £2500, the BMW diesels can have timing chain issues, turbo failures (c.£1500 to fix) and swirl flap failures. Audi/VW also have their issues and my son's Audi 2.5 estate diesel had a timing belt sprocket bearing fail and the damage cost him £3000 to have fixed.
If any of that sort of random failure happens it would possibly scrap the car and then a petrol version would have been cheaper.
One might wonder if the very long oil service intervals (like 18,000 miles) are a good idea on a diesel with the dirty oil feeding the turbo and timing chains. I'm changing my oil early and doing it tomorrow, but using the approved fully synthetic oil will cost over £90 for the oil alone, plus the filter. Still, it's cheaper than scrapping an engine. I removed the swirl flaps 3 weeks ago and fitted blanking plugs.

Edited by Cooperman, 29 July 2013 - 11:50 AM.

[Tommyboy12]

You didnt mention dual mass flywheels. There is an £800 bill if it fails too. Not to mention its potential to take the starter motor with it.

[Black.Ghost]

As an aside, I have been reading up on the X-Type this morning. I know it shares a floor pan, but that was modified and shortened for the Jag. It used a few components from the parts bin (as do many other car manufacturers), and it looks like only a few of the earlier petrol engines were the same. At any one time, they shared maybe 25% of parts and thats it. 

 

A lot of the 'controversy' over the X is reportedly from S Type and XJ owners, often upset at the availability of the Jaguar brand for the every man and the air of exclusivity being eroded. An interesting car for debate though.

 

The simple fact is modern motoring is expensive. Its a fact of life. And it shouldn't be like that. Oh well. Thats a subject for another debate.

[RemKingston]

My daily driver is a 55 plate Mondeo.

 

About 40+mpg and it is one of those cars that although I'd never say to some "OMGZ GET ONE YEAH YEAH" etc, it is also one of the only cars where I've never had any real complaint on.

 

It's just a standard middle of the road barge.

[Cooperman]

You didnt mention dual mass flywheels. There is an £800 bill if it fails too. Not to mention its potential to take the starter motor with it.

They apply to manuals with either petrol or diesel engines, but you're right, cheap they ain't.

A friend had a dual-mass flywheel go on his 2002 BMW 3-Series. He got a non-dual-mass flywheel from a BMW breaker, a new non-dual-mass clutch and a second hand starter for £250 and fitted it all himself.

[Black.Ghost]

Sticking with the 25 now. Nice cheap motoring. Spend a bit of money tidying it up and upgrading a couple of little things and all sorted. 

 

Plus the gf has named it Roberto and become attached to it anyway. I think she might cry if I swapped it now.

[samsfern]

Now the proud owner of a red 2007 peugeot 207 1.6 hdi sport got allowed to use it for the weekend to see what i thought of it, and i did quite like it, a lot more refined on the motorway in comparison with my fiesta zetec s, which is doing 4.5k rpm @ 70mph, the derv sits at 2,000rpm @70mph, i sat at about 90 pretty much all the way to mitp, getting 50mpg, and we was getting 64mpg on the way back from santapod at 70mph, in comparison to the average 28mpg i get out of the fiesta

Edited by samsfern, 13 August 2013 - 12:20 PM.

[screech]

Without question, VAG all the way.