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[sledgehammer]

It needs a complete rethink on emissions

 

they are too fixed on the end result emission , rather than all the harm to get that emission

 

ie DPF CAT EGR & various eco equipment , killing engines / cars

 

they arn't fixing things , if the engines are failing due to the equipment

 

it's almost as bad as battery cars - battery's cause more harm / polution , than the petrol engine they replace

eco accountants have been given all the power , engineers have been brushed aside

I was going to buy a new car soon - but my old city bug is 10 years old now - & has been faultless (touch wood)

 

a new car with all the carp bolted on it won't last half as long

 

any bets on what euro brands will be affected - I recon all the germans & german owned brands , super cars
 

wonder if the japs have been honest - my guess is yes

 

Do we have any real UK brands that can be affected - all owned by foreign interests ?

Edited by sledgehammer, 26 September 2015 - 11:47 AM.

[CityEPete]

They are all intertwined, renault nissan and vauxhall vivaro type vans, vauxhall and fiat 500 and adam, fiat and alfa, vw audi skoda and seat, ford KA and fiat 500, ford mazda volvo citroen and peugeot various shared platforms and engines, mini bmw via the psa engines, toyota citroen peugeot via the aygo, jaguar land rover via ford engines etc, who is left with no sharing worldwide, Honda?

[mab01uk]

They are all intertwined, renault nissan and vauxhall vivaro type vans, vauxhall and fiat 500 and adam, fiat and alfa, vw audi skoda and seat, ford KA and fiat 500, ford mazda volvo citroen and peugeot various shared platforms and engines, mini bmw via the psa engines, toyota citroen peugeot via the aygo, jaguar land rover via ford engines etc, who is left with no sharing worldwide, Honda?

 

Who owns who as as at 2010

 

 

http://jalopnik.com/...ker-family-tree

Edited by mab01uk, 26 September 2015 - 07:41 PM.

[Big Sam]

I'd be surprised if its just VAG doing it, it tends to be a hallmark of quality even down to subbrands of seat and skoda. I reckon some others are pooping a brick.

[Globule]

eco accountants have been given all the power , engineers have been brushed aside

 

 

I disagree; it has just increased the requirement for skilled engineering to create an appropriate system which meets the governmental targets. In this case, they have just opted to cheat and not increase the costs associated to the R&D required, other manufacturers have shown it can be done, VW just opted not to. 

[CityEPete]

eco accountants have been given all the power , engineers have been brushed aside

 
I disagree; it has just increased the requirement for skilled engineering to create an appropriate system which meets the governmental targets. In this case, they have just opted to cheat and not increase the costs associated to the R&D required, other manufacturers have shown it can be done, VW just opted not to.

This is incorrect, the R&D has already been done, equipment fitted and tested, vw have just chosen to save costs on installing it to the production vehicles!

[R1minimagic]

I'm wondering if the recall for EU5 cars in UK will mean that they need to be re-certified for all emissions....

 

Our 2009 Tiguan looks like it will be recalled, it is 199g/km CO2, so if it was re-certified it would go into a higher VED band and hence more expensive road tax.

 

The more worrying thing though, is that the fix will most probably mean increased EGR use (higher soot output) which is gonna increase problems with DPF, EGR valves, coolers, intake deposits etc etc (which VW already had more than its fair share of, that's probably a contributing reason for the cheat in the first place).

 

Fuel economy will probably be worse too.

[sledgehammer]

I wonder who is going to pay the extra tax for the years that were cheated ?

 

Ie cars were in wrong tax band

[CityEPete]

Is it only the 2.0 tdi affected?

[nicklouse]

Well one of the 2L, there are quite a few variants but not all effected, diesels and a 1.6 diesel.

[CityEPete]

I'm back in then with my 1.6 bluemotion 102bhp i guess then!
ved for lgv is all the same anyway, even a v8 petrol defender pays the same as me,fair?!

[Mini Manannán]

The specific number of vehicles affected under each brand are:

• Volkswagen cars 508,276
• Audi 393,450
• Seat 76,773
• Skoda 131,569
• VW commercial vehicles 79,838
• Total 1,189,906

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk...siness-34399503

 

[mk3 Cooper S]

 

 

it's almost as bad as battery cars - battery's cause more harm / polution , than the petrol engine they replace

 

?? what?

Electric cars have zero tailpipe emissions

 

It is true that shipping the chemicals/materials around the world does cause emissions but you can't get crude oil locally either, what sort of emissions do you think an oil refinery gives off?

Edited by mk3 Cooper S, 30 September 2015 - 11:54 AM.

[CityEPete]

The specific number of vehicles affected under each brand are:

• Volkswagen cars 508,276
• Audi 393,450
• Seat 76,773
• Skoda 131,569
• VW commercial vehicles 79,838
• Total 1,189,906

 
http://www.bbc.co.uk...siness-34399503

I am awaiting my letter now then, might get it done to get the vw update recorded, then have an egr delete and remap to 130bhp :-D

[sledgehammer]

 

it's almost as bad as battery cars - battery's cause more harm / polution , than the petrol engine they replace

?? what?

Electric cars have zero tailpipe emissions

It is true that shipping the chemicals/materials around the world does cause emissions but you can't get crude oil locally either, what sort of emissions do you think an oil refinery gives off?

 

 

http://www.wsj.com/a...346913994914472

 

Electric cars have zero tailpipe emissions   - the difference is the power station is the exhaust pipe

Edited by sledgehammer, 30 September 2015 - 08:25 PM.