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[Northernpower]

As long as there's a customer they will keep appearing. Unfortunately someone will buy this given the potential end value. http://www.ebay.co.u...iMAAOSwTuJYnNor

 

[minifreek1]

Unfortunately there's a certain Mini spares company in Warrington, that's got about 4 logbooks for sale....

[Ivor Badger]

brilliant, a drum braked front subframe, a Mk2 onwards roof and a box of 1980s onwards mini bits.

[Van13]

It's been ended

[sledgehammer]

hopefully police will be looking into how quick this restoration takes

 

and who the new 'owner' of the car is 

[59 Speed]

Just had a quick look on the DVLA website and can't see one, but it would be usefull if they had a report page where you could report any V5s being sold so they could put it on a list and notify the new keeper and also if the "restored" car was MOTd it would flag up on the system?

[Rob Gavin]

I've heard through the grapevine (so it must be true!) that DVLA keep an eye on ebay for V5 sales

[MIGLIACARS]

cheap s for someone

[Rocket.]

cheap s for someone

Cheap headache more like

[mk1coopers]

cheap s for someone

But it's not is it, it's like selling a receipt for a famous painting with a snappy snaps frame and nothing else for £££££ then getting someone to create what it says on that receipt, it won't be the real thing, never will, I would doubt if anyone would like to part with their hard earned cash then find out what they have bought is a fake.

I know there will now be arguments about what constitutes a Cooper or S over a standard Mini, people can think what they like, if it didn't leave the factory as a Cooper, or it hasn't got a continuous history as a car that has always existed (regardless of how may components have been replaced) then recreating it from a piece of paper is just plain wrong, fraud comes to mind

[CityEPete]

cheap s for someone

But it's not is it, it's like selling a receipt for a famous painting with a snappy snaps frame and nothing else for £££££ then getting someone to create what it says on that receipt, it won't be the real thing, never will, I would doubt if anyone would like to part with their hard earned cash then find out what they have bought is a fake.
I know there will now be arguments about what constitutes a Cooper or S over a standard Mini, people can think what they like, if it didn't leave the factory as a Cooper, or it hasn't got a continuous history as a car that has always existed (regardless of how may components have been replaced) then recreating it from a piece of paper is just plain wrong, fraud comes to mind

Hence the attraction of pinching a period correct car and two pop rivets to put with the v5c.

[mab01uk]

 

cheap s for someone

Cheap headache more like

 

 

Playing devil's advocate it is interesting to look at why this happens but purely based on the financial 'return' figures taken from a similar thread on the Mk1 Forum about building a 'flatpack' Mk1 Cooper S around a logbook from parts and a  Mk1 850 donor as was often done during restorations in the 1980's ........the restored Mk1 S in link below recently went for over £40K.......the only major differences between a restored Mk1 850 and a Mk1 S is an S engine/box (say £5K), an S speedo (£400), a  set of S discs & wheels (£500) a servo and a  set of Newton interior trim. (£1600) and in some models a RH tank (say £500). If a restored Mk1 850 is worth approx. £12K that would still makes an S logbook profitable @ £20,000 with £7500 in the ebay ad being potentially a good buy.......

 

1967 MK1 Mini Cooper S  - Sold £47,975

http://www.bmcspecia...201611230034450

 

(Note this also happens in the classic car world with logbook 'flatpack' upgrades to many cars with more humble base models such as Lotus Cortinas, Escort RS/Mexico, Sierra Cosworth, etc.....)

Edited by mab01uk, 12 February 2017 - 10:25 AM.

[Notepad12]

There seems to be a lot to these floating around recently!

[CityEPete]

There seems to be a lot to these floating around recently!

Yep I have noticed an increase just in general as I have "Classic Cars" as saved search on my ebay, there are also a lot of very well restored Land Rovers out there, I was looking at a very tidy 1962 example where they had got to great lengths to make it look like a mid 90's model in EVERY detail other than the vin plate,lol.

 

MK1 Escort logbooks are rife, I was getting into a debate with a guy selling a 1300GT V5c who was playing dumb with me, it went for over £2000 and there is only one way that is going to end.

[GT Jimmy]

If people are stupid enough to spend 40k on a mini there will always be a market for these. It really does stink