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[GT Jimmy]

Bloody hell! I didn't pay that for my house haha

[r3k1355]

It's no different to any other classic car really, if there's money in the limited edition models which are easily faked, then there's going to be lots of fakes around.

Add in the fairly shoddy record keeping that was prevalent at the time and it's no wonder so many people are at it.

 

If you have the money to play the game then crack on, but don't start crying if you get mugged off.

Edited by r3k1355, 13 February 2017 - 11:42 AM.

[r3k1355]

Perhaps another one to add to the list?

 

http://www.ebay.co.u...xIAAOSw4CFYoH0w

 

 

a rare opportunity to buy a 1964 Cooper S on a minus shell, VIN plate & engine number matches V5, V5 states it as 1964 Morris Mini Cooper S. 
Also included is 1964 shell

 

[CityEPete]

Jeez look at the price it's at already and for what?

[MIGLIACARS]

I know its cheap as chips isnt it, And Im still the high bidder.

[Cooperman]

A lot of classic cars have been re-shelled, many a long time ago.
The Cooper 'S's making the most are the Mk1 rally cars and virtually all will no longer have their original shells. As I have pointed out many times a rally car would have a big accident and another Mk1 shell was used to get it ready for further competition. I know I did it or helped others do it.
To me if a V5 says it is a Cooper 'S' and everything on the car is in accordance with either the original specifications or the homologation papers then it is an 'S'.

On the subject of value, all classics are increasing in value. Why be surprised if a totally restored Cooper 'S' is no longer cheap. I sold my Porsche 911 Carrera 2.7 RS for £20k in 1996 and today it is worth over £250k. Wish I still had it!
Of course an 'S' is expensive. It is a truly iconic car.

[r3k1355]

To me if a V5 says it is a Cooper 'S' and everything on the car is in accordance with either the original specifications or the homologation papers then it is an 'S'.

 

but buying a V5 and VIN plate off eBay, and putting that onto the chassis of a run-of-the-mill model is still illegal, even if it does have all the correct parts thrown on at the same time.

 

Mind you I've no idea where it stands if you use a brand new shell like this

Edited by r3k1355, 13 February 2017 - 11:09 PM.

[CityEPete]

A pile of 80s scrap and half of a 1960s shell is not and has never been a correct specification S.

Where are we going to find a period correct Cooper S that has lost it's V5? And if it has then there's a perfectly good way to get it back using the engine and vin numbers etc or worst case stick it on a Q.

Not EVERYONE wants a rally replica, what's wrong with a nice almond green super deluxe being left to live it's life in peace ? :-D

[JBW]

I have a friend who spent £13K on a Mk2 Cooper S a few years ago, all the numbers match, but its a late 80's shell, a non S 1275 engine & many other later parts, its a very tidy car. He was conned because he bought it over the phone from a advert in a magazine with a small picture from a dealer in Scotland, they delivered it after dark, he paid them the cash, as soon a he put it into his garage to have a good luck, he realised it wasn't a Mk2 shell, then he tried to get them to take it back, but according to his solicitor, he could do nothing as Scottish law is different. Sadly he's stuck with it, he has a friend who used to work for Oselli's who would have checked it over before paying out the cash, but he didn't bother as he believed everything the seller had told him.

 

As always Buyer beware.

 

Also if they'd have stopped making Mini's in the late 60's, a genuine Cooper S would probably be worth well over £100K now !

[johnv]

I have a friend who spent £13K on a Mk2 Cooper S a few years ago, all the numbers match, but its a late 80's shell, a non S 1275 engine & many other later parts, its a very tidy car. He was conned because he bought it over the phone from a advert in a magazine with a small picture from a dealer in Scotland, they delivered it after dark, he paid them the cash, as soon a he put it into his garage to have a good luck, he realised it wasn't a Mk2 shell, then he tried to get them to take it back, but according to his solicitor, he could do nothing as Scottish law is different. Sadly he's stuck with it, he has a friend who used to work for Oselli's who would have checked it over before paying out the cash, but he didn't bother as he believed everything the seller had told him.

 

As always Buyer beware.

 

Also if they'd have stopped making Mini's in the late 60's, a genuine Cooper S would probably be worth well over £100K now !

 

Can you give me his number, I've got a 1964 ex-works 1275 'S' he might be interested in

Edited by johnv, 14 February 2017 - 09:10 AM.

[JBW]

He's very gullible, he probably believe you ! There's one born every minute.

 

There is a genuine 1071 S locally that is totally original, except for the brake pipes, no period mods, absolutely standard in concour's condition, I wonder how much that is worth ?

 

My friend with the fake S always looks at it with envy.

[r3k1355]

A pile of 80s scrap and half of a 1960s shell is not and has never been a correct specification S.

Where are we going to find a period correct Cooper S that has lost it's V5? 

 

More paperwork the better really, same with any car.

 

If it's got a pile of MOT certificates or service history stretching back decades it's more likely to be genuine (but not certain)

If it's literally only got the V5 and an MOT certificate from 2 weeks ago then alarm bells should start ringing.

[black olive]

not just minis Im afraid, makes my blood boil having had 2 classics stolen over the years

 

http://www.ebay.co.u...VoAAOSw-0xYhM5B

 

[Rocket.]

not just minis Im afraid, makes my blood boil having had 2 classics stolen over the years
 
http://www.ebay.co.u...VoAAOSw-0xYhM5B
 

Not sure how selling a rotten shell with the V5c is bad ?

If someone puts the vin on another shell that's up to them but can't see the sellers doing anything wrong here

[CityEPete]

A pile of 80s scrap and half of a 1960s shell is not and has never been a correct specification S.
Where are we going to find a period correct Cooper S that has lost it's V5?

 
More paperwork the better really, same with any car.
 
If it's got a pile of MOT certificates or service history stretching back decades it's more likely to be genuine (but not certain)
If it's literally only got the V5 and an MOT certificate from 2 weeks ago then alarm bells should start ringing.

I'm referring to the actual ebay link, pile of scrap and a scruffy mk1 shell. Oh and the all important v5c