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[nollyd]

Near where i live.walsall.on shpok theres a red mini.on the on the mot failure sheet it states 1963.this car is obviously an 80s car with id from 63.it really gets to me wen they can still be classed as tax exempt.if you can get onto shpok in walsall somehow take a look guys.austin mini.mines an 87 and it looks newr than mine.wish i could get pic off there somehow.is this legal.

[nollyd]

I had to ask them.said they had had it 8 years and reshelled it.really want to rant at them but....mark 1 logbook later shell.

[Boycie]

There is simply no way of stopping this sort of thing I'm afraid.

 

All we can do, as people who can tell the difference is to avoid such cars and advise any potential purchaser that the car they think they're buying, really isn't !

[nollyd]

Also why am i payin tax on my shell wen someone else can get away with it.can i just get another older logbook for my car.sorry rant over.

[nollyd]

Ive got to look into this and try to get in touch with people who can change things like this.its wrong.the guy even said hed had a few mark ones.obviously not bothered.hope he isnt on here.haha.dont think its the money sode because its only 1500 quid but thats not the point.mark 1s are mark 1s.end of.

[Cooperman]

It's just another form of fraud, which is illegal. No different, IMHO, from people who make false declarations to obtain social security/disability payments, false insurance claims, false personal injury claims and spurious 'whiplash' claims.

Fraud is always going to happen and it sometimes tends to be just a matter of scale.

Did anyone, whilst out on business in their own car, ever/never, add a few miles to their claim (be honest now). If you did, that's fraud. It's just a matter of the scale.

However, it is time the DVLA took more interest in this and we should report these illegal cars to them.

I think it is still legal to use a brand new Heritage shell (not the new Mk.1 shell) for re-building an early car, but that always seems a bit odd to me as it is no longer a Mk.1.

The BIG question is, with the risks of the car being crushed just to save a few quid on road tax, is it worth the risk? Not in my book. I do feel sorry for owners who may have bought in good faith not knowing the specifications of different years of Mini but who just wanted to get into classic cars.

[nollyd]

Totally agree.he reshelled it and hes had mark 1s apparently so he knows what hes doing.in my book too scrap the lot.if the cars gone the logbook should be too.im probably gona offend some people on here but hey.im just a guy who wants whats right.pay tax like the rest of us.

[r3k1355]

You'll never sell such a car, it's obvious from a mile off it's not a Mk1.

 

They pop up form time to time and you have to laugh at the front of the people who still think they can sell it for any kind of decent price.

Obviously looking for a total mug to take advantage of.

Edited by r3k1355, 02 June 2017 - 12:18 PM.

[MIGLIACARS]

If its a mk1 s for £1500 let me no!!!!!!!!!

[waddle]

You'll never sell such a car, it's obvious from a mile off it's not a Mk1.

 

They pop up form time to time and you have to laugh at the front of the people who still think they can sell it for any kind of decent price.

Obviously looking for a total mug to take advantage of.

 

 

You will sell it in no time! 

 

someone will snap it up assuming its in decent nick , swap the book back and have a mk1 book in there pocket!

[nollyd]

Yeah get there money back off this one with new logbook.mark 1 logbook good to go again.cycle starts again.eventually someone will make a killing duping someone with it.

[waddle]

exactly,  or actually build a proper MK 1 with it 

[nollyd]

Can u build a proper mk1 these days.i mean proper.

[Cooperman]

In fact you could buy it, scrap the shell, buy a new Heritage Mk.1 shell and fit it up as a 'real' Mk.1. Nothing illegal in that and, in fact, quite a good idea, although one might wonder whether a Mk.1 built into a new shell would be worth enough unless it is a Cooper or a Cooper 'S'.

 

Of course, a lot of early cars have been re-shelled into other old shells and the vast majority of the very valuable Cooper 'S' rally cars are not in their original shells. In the period we think about as the heyday of the Cooper 'S' in motor-sport, a lot of cars were built up from scratch or repaired. I have said before that if I destroyed the shell of my 1964 Cooper 'S' rally car I would simply use another Mk.1 shell (which I've had for years in storage needing a lot of body-panels) to re-build it to be as it was. I couldn't afford to lose its value (c,£40,000 maybe) and a 'new' Heritage shell needs a lot of work to make it to the original specification.

 

All the 'works' rally cars have been re-shelled either during or after the works ownership and that was always acceptable. But, there is a big difference between re-shelling to keep the Mini active in historic competition and re-shelling for fraudulent purposes. 

[nollyd]

Mk1 shell to another mk1 yes thats great.and id be too scared to rally my cooper 's' if i had one.but as you say you would replace it with a mk1 shell.
But the one im talking about on shpok is at least 87 if not younger.the mot says approx first use... 1st october 1963.