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[surfblue]

Never had any trouble removing a rear hub nut, assume a gorilla with an air wrench had been there before you.

[Spider]

If it's frozen for reasons unknown, I'd suggest cutting the nut off by one of the methods mentioned.

 

Possibly, by trying to undo it, you may end up damaging the stub axle or the thread on it.

[eebee]

Agreed on both counts. Gorilla with superglue and air wrench has made me decide to drill & carefully cold chisel the bastard thing off today; new nut on order.

[eebee]

Drilled it off with no damage to stub axle thread, but… the inner bearing fell to pieces whilst using the hub puller. This car is fighting me all the way. Loads of black crud fell out with the ball bearings. I reckon the whole thing hadn’t been torqued, just done up so tight that the bearing seized & cooked itself to death. Fun.

[nicklouse]

Drilled it off with no damage to stub axle thread, but… the inner bearing fell to pieces whilst using the hub puller. This car is fighting me all the way. Loads of black crud fell out with the ball bearings. I reckon the whole thing hadn’t been torqued, just done up so tight that the bearing seized & cooked itself to death. Fun.

Cant really do them up too tight. As there is the spacer. And yes they often fall apart even when newish.

[Spider]

 

Drilled it off with no damage to stub axle thread, but… the inner bearing fell to pieces whilst using the hub puller. This car is fighting me all the way. Loads of black crud fell out with the ball bearings. I reckon the whole thing hadn’t been torqued, just done up so tight that the bearing seized & cooked itself to death. Fun.

Cant really do them up too tight. As there is the spacer. And yes they often fall apart even when newish.

 

 

Yes, but I've taken many of the older style apart that had no spacer fitted

 

By the sounds of it, it was a balling bearing type and hasn't been apart in a while.

 

eebee, if the inner bearing is stuck on the stub, a puller is probably the safest thing to use here.

[eebee]

Yes it’s a ball bearing type, or rather, was a ball bearing type. Should I replace with taper type or like for like ?

It’s the inner ring of the bearing left on the stub axle & that won’t budge either.

[Tones61]

Same as rolls Royce and most commercial vans/lorries,
Left hand side,left hand thread on their wheel fixings

[gazza82]

It’s the inner ring of the bearing left on the stub axle & that won’t budge either.

Had that on a modern .. angle grinder on inner race to cut a slot and cold-chisel to split it. You don't need to cut too deep! It's under strain and may crack on its own!

[nicklouse]

 

 

Drilled it off with no damage to stub axle thread, but… the inner bearing fell to pieces whilst using the hub puller. This car is fighting me all the way. Loads of black crud fell out with the ball bearings. I reckon the whole thing hadn’t been torqued, just done up so tight that the bearing seized & cooked itself to death. Fun.

Cant really do them up too tight. As there is the spacer. And yes they often fall apart even when newish.

 

 

Yes, but I've taken many of the older style apart that had no spacer fitted

 

By the sounds of it, it was a balling bearing type and hasn't been apart in a while.

 

eebee, if the inner bearing is stuck on the stub, a puller is probably the safest thing to use here.

 

But would have had the spacer built into the races. As per the Metro/later design.

[Spider]

Yes it’s a ball bearing type, or rather, was a ball bearing type. Should I replace with taper type or like for like ?

It’s the inner ring of the bearing left on the stub axle & that won’t budge either.

 

 

You might need to purchase a Bearing Seperator to give the Bearing Puller something to latch on to in order to be able to pull the inner race, there's little there to grab.

 

I would suggest going to tapered rollers. My own experience with ball bearings, front or rear, is that when disassembling, they seldom come off in tact. If you are taking it apart to replace the bearing, then this isn't an issue, but say, on the rears, you need to get the brake backing plate off, it also means replacing the bearing too. The Tapered Rollers should also last you much longer.

 

 

 

Yes, but I've taken many of the older style apart that had no spacer fitted

 

But would have had the spacer built into the races. As per the Metro/later design.

 

The early Tapered Rollers and also the early Ball Rollers had a separate spacer as part of the assembly. It's that spacer I have found to be missing from quite a few assemblies. Usually when they came from a Workshop that seldom sees Minis. This is from the 1984 Moke Parts Book. All Mokes that were made here went to Tapered Rollers in all models from later in 1978.

 

 

 

 

I still have some of these assemblies, if I remember, I'll snap off a pic.

[nicklouse]

No spacers 

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ok front but same.

[Spider]

No spacers

 

Yep, that's why I also included;-

 

Yes, but I've taken many of the older style apart that had no spacer fitted

 

[Rorf]

We talking about a 64 model mini so it would originally have been fitted with ball bearings and spacers. I would always replace these with Timkin taper bearings; ball bearings are a pain as they always fall apart when removing.

[Spider]

Promised Photo of the earlier Rear Timken Assemblies

 

 

There's also a Factory Reference to these Bearing Assemblies having a separate spacer here;-