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[mab01uk]

More road charges and restrictions coming soon....?
https://www.london.g...Evidence _0.pdf

London Assembly Transport Committee.
Call for Evidence: The future of smart road user charging - February 2023
"The London Assembly Transport Committee has launched an investigation into
the future of smart road user charging in London. We will consider the practical
issues around the potential introduction of smarter road user charging in London."
Key Questions
1. Do the current road user charging systems in London require reform?
2. How might smarter road user charging differ from the current daily
charges for driving applied in London?
3. How might charges for driving in London be varied for different types of
journeys, such as travelling for work, caring responsibilities or essential
services?
4. What strategies and targets could smarter road user charging support?
5. What technology could be used to support smarter road user charging?
6. How could smarter road user charging assist with tackling current
challenges such as traffic, air pollution and climate change?
7. Are road user charging schemes best set up at a city or regional level, or
as a national system, and what benefits or difficulties would you expect
with either approach?
8. If smarter road user charging is introduced, which charges or taxes should
it replace and how should the current taxes and charges be changed?
9. What discounts and exemptions would you like to see for any new
smarter road charging scheme, for example to help disabled people, those
on low incomes, those who need to drive for work, or people who live in
areas with low levels of public transport?
10. If the Government were interested in a national distance-based road user
charging scheme, would London be a sensible place for a trial?
11. If distance-based road user charging was introduced, do you think
Londoners who drive should pay less in total for vehicle or driving-based
charges, the same, or more than they do currently?
12. Mayors and local authorities currently have powers to introduce new road
charging schemes. Do you think anything further is required beyond an
electoral mandate for these bodies to use those powers (for example a
local referendum)?
13. How are other cities and countries working on similar smarter road user
charging ideas faring, and what alternatives are they looking at for
achieving similar policy goals?

 

[Lowestoftmodder]

Do you think they are looking at road charging at all? Lol
Surely we pay for roads with road tax? At least that’s what they used to say.. I guess they managed that system well

[Icey]

Do you think they are looking at road charging at all? Lol
Surely we pay for roads with road tax? At least that’s what they used to say.. I guess they managed that system well

Except road tax was abolished in the 1930s, it's been a tax on vehicles ever since. You could argue semantics but it means it has not been ring fenced for roads for the best part of 100 years.

[sonikk4]

So potentially smarter road charging will have a massive impact on those of us who through no fault of their own will be additonally penalised because of our greater commuting distance.

 

For that to happen they would need to have a comprehensive overhaul of every road to ensure they are fully fit for purpose, not full of pot holes, ruts etc. New cameras to Police this etc etc etc.

 

OR Public Transport would have to be made available for shift workers that conforms with their start / finish times, be regular and on time and more impotantly cheaper than using a car. If the Government really wants to do something about climate change etc then provide a bloody service that we can actually rely on and not be rinsed by share holders.

 

Retirement can not come quick enough to get out of this bloody rat race we all find oursleves in. 

[Gaz66]

Do you think they are looking at road charging at all? Lol
Surely we pay for roads with road tax? At least that’s what they used to say.. I guess they managed that system well

Except road tax was abolished in the 1930s, it's been a tax on vehicles ever since. You could argue semantics but it means it has not been ring fenced for roads for the best part of 100 years.

Road upkeep is from council tax so where does car tax go?
As for the Ulez cameras, the peasants are revolting and ripping them down but you wont see it on the telly...you see it on you tube though 👍

[Lowestoftmodder]

Do you think they are looking at road charging at all? Lol
Surely we pay for roads with road tax? At least that’s what they used to say.. I guess they managed that system well

Except road tax was abolished in the 1930s, it's been a tax on vehicles ever since. You could argue semantics but it means it has not been ring fenced for roads for the best part of 100 years.

Yes, about a quarter of VED (that’s widely still called road tax) is spent on roads..
https://www.autoexpr...-spent-on-roads
I guess my point is that we pay for the upkeep and use age of the roads already.. this seems to me in my opinion that successive governments have raided the motorist to pay for everything from cleaning out moats to keeping duck houses warm on expenses.
The amount raised on petrol etc will take a nose dive so our freedom will also take a nosedive to keep the coffers plumped up for the lucky few.

I’ve heard the cameras are taking damage.. I don’t condone vandalism but I get the sentiment

[Lowestoftmodder]

 
Retirement can not come quick enough to get out of this bloody rat race we all find oursleves in.

Sadly I agree with this 100% and too look forward to distancing myself from the rat race
Perhaps a house in the country near lots of winding roads away from the cities and TFL cameras

[mab01uk]

"Motorists with older, environmentally friendly cars which are not aged enough to be deemed as classics are being forced from the road by the impending Ulez expansion, while gas guzzlers owned by millionaires are being welcomed to London.
Despite pumping out less than one third of the C02 than the most polluting new cars on sale, drivers of older cars face having to pay £12.50, while watching owners of the latest models by Rolls Royce, Ferrari and Mercedes continue their unimpeded access to the city.
Under the Ulez scheme, which has been described by critics as 'Sadiq Khan's vanity cash grabbing plan', motorists driving petrol cars which do not at least meet the Euro IV standard face having to pay the controversial charge. For diesel owners, they must have the latest Euro VI engines or hand over cash each day they cross into the soon-to-be expanded zone."
https://www.thisismo...-emissions.html

 

[DeadSquare]

I read somewhere that the accused perpe-traitor of ULEZ, is suffering from PTSD, Persistent Tyrant Senile Dementia.

[mab01uk]

See Page 32 of the London plan below....

Next steps for reducing emissions from road transport:-
https://content.tfl....d-transport.pdf

 

[Lowestoftmodder]

Yikes! Enacting the will of the people eh?? I doubt that somehow…

[sonikk4]

See Page 32 of the London plan below....

Next steps for reducing emissions from road transport:-
https://content.tfl....d-transport.pdf

 

Now this is really taking the mickey and so will cause more havoc. Higher wages expected to help pay for those commuters like myself who have no choice but to use a car. I cannot afford a electric car, even second hand. I cannot afford to live in London or anywhere close to it so screwed screwed and screwed again. I cannot use public transport as it does not fit within my shift pattern. Most of my shift apart from a couple of newbies and old hats all live more than 50 miles away. 

 

I wonder if these whitehall bellends have any idea about the masses and THEIR ACTUAL NEEDS. They are bemoaning about the lack of skilled people in this country, from nursing to engineers etc and then they move the goal posts even further away by bringing laws like this.

 

Now if fuel was 50p a litre and they said we will put 50p on top of that for commuter charges as and when accrued, then that would be less painful. But all they will do is keep fuel prices high and double dip, taxed on fuel then taxed on using one of our ultra modern pothole free Motorways and roads!!!! 

 

Digs, well they are fecking expensive so currently not an option. I go to work to pay my own bloody mortgage, not someone elses.                 

[panky]

If this were France.....................................................

[Lowestoftmodder]

If this were France.....................................................

Absolutely!

[mab01uk]

Anti-Ulez 'Blade Runner' campaigner chops down enforcement cameras with tree lopper:-

https://www.standard...a-b1100577.html

Edited by mab01uk, 14 August 2023 - 10:33 PM.