Jump to content


Photo

Ulez Camera Installations....


  • Please log in to reply
74 replies to this topic

#31 mab01uk

mab01uk

    Moved Into The Garage

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 11,804 posts
  • Local Club: Mini Cooper Register

Posted 27 August 2023 - 09:47 AM

TfL London - Project 2030 next generation road use charging (RUC) platforms.
"London was first with Contactless and the Congestion Charge and is now looking to lead the way in introducing a new, more sophisticated type of road pricing. Join TfL now and make this happen. Help us build the next generation road use charging (RUC) platforms. All being built in the cloud."
https://project2030tfl.co.uk/about-us/

 



#32 Shooter63

Shooter63

    One Carb Or Two?

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 760 posts
  • Location: Essex

Posted 28 August 2023 - 01:17 PM

Just had an interesting conversation with a guy about the ULEZ in general, both pretty funny really, the first part was about the group that are taking down the cameras just as fast as Khan and the boys were putting them up, he said its almost cat and mouse, the other was the Essex County Council are not letting Khan and the boys put up the advanced warning signs in their territory which apparently causes a problem legally. I know the general population will loose the fight eventually as no doubt they will introduce legislation with a 20 year bang up for this heinous crime of removing the cameras and no doubt Khan will bung ECC enough money so they allow the signs to go up, but at least some people who really care about this are actually fighting back instead of ranting on social media and thinking it makes a difference.

Shooter

#33 Quinlan minor

Quinlan minor

    One Carb Or Two?

  • TMF+ Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 992 posts
  • Location: London
  • Local Club: LSMOC

Posted 29 August 2023 - 05:48 PM

Ocurred to me, today, that there's a miserable future ahead for 'trailer queens'.

Assuming the ULEZ cameras are automatically recording registration numbers and won't be able to distinguish between a non-compliant vehicle on a trailer and one being driven.

Potentially, more intriguing than the scaffolder's decision, perhaps?



#34 mab01uk

mab01uk

    Moved Into The Garage

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 11,804 posts
  • Local Club: Mini Cooper Register

Posted 29 August 2023 - 07:15 PM

Ocurred to me, today, that there's a miserable future ahead for 'trailer queens'.

Assuming the ULEZ cameras are automatically recording registration numbers and won't be able to distinguish between a non-compliant vehicle on a trailer and one being driven.

Potentially, more intriguing than the scaffolder's decision, perhaps?

 

Historic Tax class 40 year old Minis are exempt from ULEZ but non-compliant vehicles on a trailer could cover their numberplates up, which is what transporters carrying cars to scrap often do to stop the scrap cars on the back triggering ANPR cameras with their lack of tax, MOT and insurance.


Edited by mab01uk, 29 August 2023 - 07:16 PM.


#35 Quinlan minor

Quinlan minor

    One Carb Or Two?

  • TMF+ Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 992 posts
  • Location: London
  • Local Club: LSMOC

Posted 29 August 2023 - 07:50 PM


 

Historic Tax class 40 year old Minis are exempt from ULEZ but non-compliant vehicles on a trailer could cover their numberplates up, which is what transporters carrying cars to scrap often do to stop the scrap cars on the back triggering ANPR cameras with their lack of tax, MOT and insurance.

 

My point is, that while they can cover the plates up, they're not required to.

It'll be interesting to see how Sadiq makes a car, or motorbike, on a trailer one of "the most polluting vehicles".

Yet another example of how badly thought out this move is.



#36 stuart bowes

stuart bowes

    Camshaft & Stage Two Head

  • TMF+ Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,589 posts
  • Location: Dagenham

Posted 30 August 2023 - 10:10 AM

same with the Dart charge, if you don't cover it up and you get a bill you can easily contest it because the picture shows it being on a trailer, happened to my boss once trailering one of his race cars to Brands

 

easy enough to prevent with tape over the plate, or the cheeky old motorbike classic showercap on the plate (I guess that works better on the square ones though)


Edited by stuart bowes, 30 August 2023 - 10:12 AM.


#37 chuee

chuee

    Mini Mad

  • TMF+ Member
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 117 posts
  • Location: Middlesex

Posted 15 September 2023 - 11:54 PM

It's all very amusing when people damage these cameras, but the tax payer pays to replace them. 

Oh its not so expensive really to replace them. I dont think its very amusing either. Its an indication of deep frustration with more than mere CAZ schemes. Its frustration in the face of deceit. 

Not expensive at all to replace, Not when compared to Covid paraphanalia, lockdowns and bashing Russia by propping up a CIA/MI6 instsalled regime's total government expenses, just to empty the land of farmers to make way for Black-Rock/Monsanto giant agribusiness into  Europe to take over our own small  farmers , who are now paid to retire early, in preparation!. Yes instead of handing their farms to their sons. Incidentally the Ukrainian wheat exports never went to 'poor starving African countries' but was held in Europe, contrary to the 'wheat Corridor' agreements; then later refused by Romanian farmers because it was 'piosonous' upon testing, refused by Poland because it undercut their (still) important farming  industry.. and generally exported to Europe 'to keep prices low' = put the farmer out of business. 

Dont beleive me? CHeck it out if you can get past the Google censorship. You may more easily find out about the buying of land in Ukraine as it is emptied.

 

The there's  the closing and  re-building of schools due to 'green tech's' idiotic approach to science in building - just innovate (make it up); aerated concrete fractures, oh really? how interesting, after all. The there's the schools without opening windows and the walls which dont breathe.. nice corbon monoxide poisoning which lowers IQ. So why not build them out of lego? Because everyone will die inside. That's building now, and we're going to pay for that too. "Oh these buildings will last up to thirty years", the neouveau-unskilled builder-operator exclaims. That's right, ripped down due to  moisture damage because they dont breathe. 

Oh then there's the insulated walls with yet more plastic . It will degrade and in any case stops the walls breathing. So what? Then they have to open the windows wide in winter  if they can, and they lose heat in a rush.

 

Everything these days is a mess, and the people who mess around are incompetent push-button fools. They really beleive that multitasking with a phone in their hand will 'get things done' Its all propoganda that ends up spending taxpayers money on  schemes to hasten our demise. A mess, but think this is progress. There is no fulfillment in life whilst we are always 'trying to save the planet'   with technolgy or save the human population' based on deceit. If vaccines worked and viruses evolved to ever more dangerous to kill the host, then the human population would have gone extinct long ago;  That IS the bottom line, to underline the deception here.  

 

If you want to stop cars, then dont commute to work, work locally. If you want to work locally , then have a local economy not a globalist air-conditioned nightmare. But it's all progress, all change. That's right, you cant stop human political  change apperently , which is nothing more than exploiting technoligical innovations in order to enforce a slave sytem by eltist ologarchs (with corporate fronts and hundreds of thousands  of dependent  wage-slave minions and enforcers  who obey even what to think what to say) ; But apparently we can control the planets, the weather, the sun. All producing what - nothing. All dependant on  giant factories, offshoreing, and importing even apples fmo the plantations into England.  See its gone further than buying up all the family firms like Austin and Rover....

 

I could go on, I already have. We are in bad shape. Sod the camera, s sod the CAZ.  Turn the office lights off, go home at dusk get up at dawn.

Have Bulls and carts for real work, for transport and more.  Small mixed farms - silvo-arable-pasture land for true  sustainability, environmental enhancement, and decent work with allied crafts and a nice life. A soveriegn independent life. Have minis and nortons and ducatis for joy  rides only.  Ban poseurs' black mercedes and Indain Range rovers, Ban supermarkets and their necessary plastic packaging. Bring back the milk man and local dairies. Tun off the fridge.   Be a Luddite. Why does it have be invoked with a sneer?  Because that's what the ******* are trained to do at school. Close down the schools, Reduce the government to almost nil - just law courts and national defence.  Make parishes powerful; That's democracy.

 

OK just wanted to give you an alternative to the 'inevitable change' Hope it delights you, you who dont mind real work, those of you who dont think life is about 'making money', and can actually think.

 

The cars were being produced with less emissions. Just use a little patience. Attend to the real base issues  - which is mainly deceipt and  stupidity and beleif in a technolgical war against nature. These cameras are there for no good reason. Its technology for control's sake, that is  ultimately what all technology is used  for now, for control and theft of independence, theft of our own local economies. And that is what has produced the mass of commuting,  even to schools and also to supermarkets for shopping, with the demise of the greengrocer and his suppliers - the small farms.

 

Now they want to ban cows as well as cars, even ban them in the Land of Holy Cows.  But cow manure is essential for small farms, and that is where the CO2 goes, into the soil, for fertility along with all the rest of it - plant matter. Otherwise grass would simply die and turn to what -CO2 (not that I buy the story of Global warming). Insects are far greater biomass than cows, so what next  - shall we get rid of them too? These greens are not  real sceintists, they are a chorus of idiots - extremists, playing into the hands of  elitist globalist devils, who have no loyalty to any nation whatsoever, no loyalty to people, so  doge  a reasonable, comprehensive debate.

 

I am by  scientific training and profession a conservationist - that is to say Natural Resource management, That includes low tech buildings as well as district  planning across farming communities for sustainability abnd biodiversity.    I know the 'greens' are the biggst danger in all this, and quite on the wrong track.  I was a a 'green' long bfore this political deceit emerged. Not one of them actually has one iota of real experience, not one of them would want to get their hands dirty, or actually work on a farm or in a forest, or even in a garage. Only in an office chasing get-rich schemes in the  implementation off the green agenda'. Which is to SPEND all your  tax payer money and waste it on disatrous results. Why? becuase its virtue signalling based upon lies and deceit. That is the greatest 'money making' scheme. WHy? Ultimately for theft and control. That is the state of politics and government now.

 

Sure rip the cameras down, if you feel like you have no other way of expressing frustration.  Its far less of a crime than being a stupid parrot  whithout a family to support but keen on the smell of  money and status.

 

The man who lords it over London wants to ban wood burners. Why? what does he know? Wood fuel is the most sustainable way of heating. It recycles wood, which contains carbon dioxde in the form of carbohydrates. It is the highest calorific source of heat  coppiced, which grows fast and dense, and locally. It is the most healthy for of heat - radiant. You can heat your self and cook on it at the same time. ANd heat the hot water all from the same furnace, with no extra fuel.

ANother thing you can wear a WOOLEN jumper in winter, If you can afford one. If you can find one.  But all craft materials are becoming expensive or vanishing...somehow... Even iodine is vanishing to miuraculously heal festering  wounds, something as basic as that. They remove it from th emarket, because it is basic and effective, and get  them no monopoly or high proifits.

 

NOTE: anything that furthers true sustainablity appears to further subsistence living for the poor or rich, and enhace individual and (real, land based) commuity  independence, the work of craftsmen and our artists along with it, because they beocme affordable, and we are no longer in a rat race.  Subsistence living is the enemy of the Globalist Elite, and their Green army of deceit.

 

ANd to finish, for those who can get it: low GDP is rich High GDP is poor. Think about it.


Edited by chuee, 16 September 2023 - 08:25 PM.


#38 Shooter63

Shooter63

    One Carb Or Two?

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 760 posts
  • Location: Essex

Posted 16 September 2023 - 04:24 PM

It's all very amusing when people damage these cameras, but the tax payer pays to replace them.

Oh its not so expensive really to replace them. I dont think its very amusing either. Its an indicatin of deep frustration with more than mere CAZ schemes. Its frustration in the face of deceit. 
Not expensive at all to replace, Not when compared to COvid paraphanalia, lockdowns and bashing Russia by propping up a CIA/MI6 instsalled regime's total government expenses, just to empty the land of farmers to make way for BAlck-Rock/Monsanto giant agribusiness into  Europe to take over our own small  farmers , who ar enow paoid to retire early, in preparation!. Yes instead of handing their farms ot their sons. INcidentally te Ukrainian wheat exports never went to 'poor starving African countries' but was held in Europe, contrary to the wheat corridor agreements; then late rrefused by Romanian farmers because oit was 'piosonous' upon testing, rewfused by Poland because it undercut their (still) imporyant farming  industry.. and gernally exported to Europe 'to keep proices low' = put the farmer out of business. 
DOnt beleive me? CHeck it out if yo ucan get past the Google censprship. But you wil more easily find out about the buying of land in Ukraine as it is emptied.
 
The thre's  the clsing and  re-buoilding of schools due to 'green tech's' idiotic approcach to science in building - just innovate (make it up); aerated concrete fractures, oh really how interesting after all. The trhere's the schools without opening woindows and the walls dont breathe.. so why not build them out of lego? because everyone will die inside. That's building now, and we're going to pay for that too. Oh these buildings will last up to thirty years, the neouvue unskilled builder-operator exclaims. That's right, ripped down due to  moisture damage because they dont breathe. 
Oh then there's the insulated walls with yet more plastic . it will degfrade and in any case stops the walls breathing. So what? Then they have to open the windows wide in winter  if they can, and they lose heat in a rush.
Everything these days is a mess, and the people who mess around are incompetent push-button fools. They really beleive that multitasking with a phonein their hand will 'get things done' Its all propoganda that ends uyp spending taxpayers money on  schemes to hasten our demise. A mes, but think this is progress. There is no fulfillment in life whilst we are always 'trying to save the planet'   with technolgy or save the human population' based on deceit. If vaccines worked and viruses evolved to ever nmore dangerous to kill the host, then thehuman population would have gone extinct long ago., That's the bottom line, to underline the deception here.  
 
If you want to stop cars, then dont commute to work, work locally. If you want to work locally , then have a local economy not a globalist air-conditioned nightmare. But it's al l progress, all change. That's right, you cant stop human political  change apperntly , which is noting more than exploiting technoligical innovations in order to enforce a slave sytem by eltist ologarchs (with corporate fronts and hundreds of thousandss thousands of dependent  wage-slave minions and enforfers  who obery even what to think waht to say) only we can control the planets, the wweather, the sun apparently. All producing what - nothing. All dependant on  giant factories, offshoreing, and importing even apples fm the plantatins into England.  Se its gone further than buyingup all the family firms like Austin and Rover....
 
I could go on, I already have. We are in bad shape. SOd trhe cameras sod the CAZ.  Turn the office lights off, go home at dusk get up at dawn.
Have Bulls and carts for real work, for transport and more.  Small mixed farms - silvo-arabel-pasture for true  sustainability, environmentla enhancement, and decent work with allied crafts and a nice life. A soverign life. Have minis and nortons and ducatis for joy  rides only.  Ban poseurs' black mercedes and Indain Range rovers, Ban supermarkets and their necessary platic packahging, Bring back the milk man and local dairies. Tun off the fridge.   Be aluddite. Why doe sit have be invoked with a sneer?  Because that's what the ******* are trained to do at school. CLose down the schools, Reduce the government to almost nil - just law courts and national defence.  Make parishes powerful; That's democracy.
 
OK just wanted to give you an alternaitve to the 'inevitable change' Hope it delights you, you who dont mind real work, tose of you who dont thtink life is about 'making money', and can actually think.
 
The cars were being produced with less emissions. Just use a little patience. Attend to the real base issues  - which is mainly deceipt and  stupidity and beleif in a technolgical war against nature. These cameras are thre for no good reason. Its technology for controls sake, that is  ultimately what all technology is used  for now, for control and theft of independence, theft of our own local economies. ANd that is what has produced the mass of commuting,  even to schools and also to supermarlets for shopping, with the demise of the greengrcer and his suppliers - the small farms.
 
Now they want to ban cows as well as cars, even ban them in the Land of Holy Cows.  But cow manure is essential for small farms, and that is wher ethe CO2 goes, into the soil, for fertility along with all the rest of it - plant matter. Otherwise grass would soimply die and turn to what -C)2 (not that I buy the story of Global warming). Insects are far greater biomass than cows, so what next  - shall we get rid of them too? thes egreens ar enot sceintists, They are a chorus of idiots - extremists, playinginto the hands of  elitist globalist devils, who have no loyalty to any nation whatsoever, no loyuaty to people.  
 
I am by  scientific training and profession a conservationist - that is tosay NAtural Resource management, That includes low tech buildings as well as planning acfdross farming communities for sustainability abnd biodiversity.  i know the 'greens' are the biggst danger in all this, and quite on the wrong track.  I was a a 'hgreen' long bfore this political deceit emerged. Not one of them actually has one iota of real experience, not one of them would want to get their hands dirty, or actually work on a farm or in a forest, or even in a garage. Only in an office chasing get-rish schemes in the  impplementation off the green agenda'. WHich is to SPEND all your  tax payer money and waste it on disatrous results. Why? becuase its virtue signalling based upon lies and deceit. That is the greatest 'money making' scheme. WHy? Ultimately for theft and control. That is the state of politics and government now.
 
Sure rip the cameras down, if you feel like yo have no other way of expressing frustration.  Its far less of a crime than being a stupid parrot  whithout a family to support but keen on the smell of  money and status.
 
The man who lords it over London wants to ban wood burners. Why? what des he know? Wood fuel is hte most sustainable way of heating. It recycles wood, which contains carbon dioxde in the form of carbohydrates. It is the highest calorific source of heat  coppiced, which grows fast and dense, and locally. It is the most healthy for of heat - radiant. You can heat your self and cook on it at the same time. ANd heat the hot wayter all fro the saem furnace, with no extra wood.
ANother hting yo ucan do is wear a WOOLEN jumpe in winter, If you can afford one. If you can find one.  But al lcraft materials ar ebecoming expensive or vanishing...somehow...
 
NOTE: anything that frthers true sustainablity appears to further subsistence living for the poor or rich, and enhace individual and (real, land based) commuity  independence, the wok of craftsmen and our edpressive art along with it, because htey beocme affordable, a dn we ar eno longer in a rat race.  Subsistence living is the enemy of the Globalist Elite, and their Green army of deceit.
 
ANd to finish, for those who can get it: low GDP is rich High GDP is poor. Think about it.




Great stuff and all that, but do yourself a favor and turn your spell checker on, at the moment it's hard to read.

Shooter

#39 Quinlan minor

Quinlan minor

    One Carb Or Two?

  • TMF+ Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 992 posts
  • Location: London
  • Local Club: LSMOC

Posted 16 September 2023 - 04:45 PM

.

Attached Files



#40 mab01uk

mab01uk

    Moved Into The Garage

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 11,804 posts
  • Local Club: Mini Cooper Register

Posted 16 September 2023 - 06:37 PM

Great stuff and all that, but do yourself a favor and turn your spell checker on, at the moment it's hard to read.


Shooter

 

 

I remember a few years ago an email began to circulate claiming that scrambled English words are just as easy to read as the original words.

The email tested our ability to read scrambled words. Here’s what it looked like:-

 

If Yuo’re Albe To Raed Tihs....

"Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn’t mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe."

 

More on this phenomenon here:-

https://www.dictiona...e/typoglycemia/


Edited by mab01uk, 16 September 2023 - 06:39 PM.


#41 Shooter63

Shooter63

    One Carb Or Two?

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 760 posts
  • Location: Essex

Posted 16 September 2023 - 07:03 PM

Great stuff and all that, but do yourself a favor and turn your spell checker on, at the moment it's hard to read.

Shooter

 
I remember a few years ago an email began to circulate claiming that scrambled English words are just as easy to read as the original words.
The email tested our ability to read scrambled words. Here’s what it looked like:-
 
If Yuo’re Albe To Raed Tihs....
"Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn’t mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe."
 
More on this phenomenon here:-
https://www.dictiona...e/typoglycemia/


I must admit I can read it a piece of p##s and at full speed, the brain is a marvellous thing, in fact that's pretty much my attempt at spelling without the spell checker on.Nice post.

Shooter

#42 chuee

chuee

    Mini Mad

  • TMF+ Member
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 117 posts
  • Location: Middlesex

Posted 16 September 2023 - 08:08 PM



Great stuff and all that, but do yourself a favor and turn your spell checker on, at the moment it's hard to read.

Shooter

 

 

OK thanks, I'll look for that, and correct it.  I had been trying to do it by hand with no prompts.

 

Edit: No I cant find it, I think you mean I have to put it into my own editor then paste back, perhaps? Anyway , I worked again on editing in place, and it will read easier now.

 

My typing is bad because when I type I cannot look at the keyboard and back to the screen often without getting fairly dizzy. I do need an editor to go through after. I htink I should train myself to get better at typing without getting the letter order worng or missing keys. Much prefer handwriting.


Edited by chuee, 16 September 2023 - 08:32 PM.


#43 chuee

chuee

    Mini Mad

  • TMF+ Member
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 117 posts
  • Location: Middlesex

Posted 16 September 2023 - 08:34 PM

The email tested our ability to read scrambled words. Here’s what it looked like:-
 
If Yuo’re Albe To Raed Tihs....
"Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn’t mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe."
 
More on this phenomenon here:-
https://www.dictiona...e/typoglycemia/

 

 

 

My submission was worse than that! Even I couldn't read some of it straight off.  :shy:


Edited by chuee, 16 September 2023 - 08:35 PM.


#44 chuee

chuee

    Mini Mad

  • TMF+ Member
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 117 posts
  • Location: Middlesex

Posted 16 September 2023 - 08:53 PM

I want to add just this: In the business we say "Conservation of biodiversity is Sustainability and is primarily conservation of Human Culture".

 

- The conclusion being drawn  from scientific studies of land management taken as a whole.  It means you cannot conserve rich biodiversity withoiut conserving the local human culture in traditional symbiotic harmony with the locality.  And that inevitably means small farms, local communities in ownership of local economy. Not a command and control economy. It comes back to traditional methods.  The highest biodiversity is around such cultures, with forest edges, not in the centre of virgin forest, which is actually quite low. It ensures soil conservation too, unlike phosphates, and crop resilliance to pest, and without  pesticidal poisons which are posionous to human children and adults alike.  There is no such thing as an epidemic of genetic diseases. 

 

A lot of the human inhabited world is  mountainous with fragile  thin soils; lose soil fertility there and it will wash away in one rainy season, to cause devastaiton below, and loss of all  soils for thousands of years above, impossible or hard  to imagine how it may be ever reclaimed or ever was founded to begin with. Soils  can only continiue wth traditional methods, and traditional culture - small farms with cows.

Nowadays,  we even find loss of soil fertility oin the UK on heavy clay soils. 

Giant Agribusinessis  is the nail in the coffin for our independence and for our survival. We are being led by fools. One of our recent Ministers for Agricuture said 'I dont think agricuture is that important, it contributes little to the GDP' . Sure pornography was growing in revenue for the government - it may be higher than agriculture for all I know, and continues to grow, along with surveilliance technology whilst agriculture diminishes.  Nothing wrong there. If the boogey man  held in front of us were to invade Britan we wouldn't be able to resist and feed ourselves, even If we had  strong men to form a resistance and defence.   Well, the invasion is complete in a bloodless coup by the proxy green warriors - the politicaly correct, hypocritical,  brainwashed frightened lazy selfish folk with forked tongues.

 

To keep things on point, 15 minute cities do not address the question: Who is producing the food to eat, and how? Nor does it ensure that it produced locally.

 

Ciities used to be 15 minute cities when we had excellent greengrocers  and butchers within a short walk,  no ULEZ cameras or supermarkets, and a man could support a family with wife and house on a single wage, and worked within walking distance or a short ride on a bus.  Cars were for family outings or joy rides.  We had a rich productive economy , more people working in agriculture, smaller farms, and the milkman delivered milk from a local dairy.  Food provision came (mainly) from near as well as far. There were very  few supermarkets then, they were never needed, just a small Co-op where you could buy exotic things like macaroni  and  butterbeans or lentils.  Other shops were specialist shops, family owned and providing what people wanted , designed and invented, with variety and real choice. Clothes were not all in  black polyester. There were even repair shops for furniture, watches and hoovers etc..

 

 

To End: indoor air pollution is said to be about five times higher than outdoor. That's becaiuse of building materials. The poisons greens care about  

are in our food, water and building materials  and furniture. That  is not being addressed by the green extremist  pretenders; somehow they overlook these points as if minor. They all sing from the same songbook.  The have stolen , and cheat on the real issues, because they are informed by  and benefit from Globalists. They make things much worse, instead of better. Agriculture and building and tailoring is work and they sustain life (more than the NHS).  There are no technological solutions to technological problems that undermine independent cultural traditions;   Traditional cultures are adaptive, they do not require technological solutions. They had already adapted to Nature symbiotically, and continued to do so.

 Beneficial technological progress  is a myth. Progress is  myth. Progressive culture is a culture removed from traditional  techologies and wisdom, adrift,  I.E. no human civilisatoin at all,  but a human slave culture ruled by the  economy thieves, all  giant factory owners. For what End?   Grisly. We have been kicked off our land to serve the plantation owner and the non-automated factory.  Its been happening the same recently in India. Now, with automation and offshoring,  just our footprint is  considered a waste of space. The bees, the field mice,  grasshoppers, cows, bulls, flowers, song birds, rats and eagles, the tigers, and more  will all miss us.


Edited by chuee, 17 September 2023 - 01:00 PM.


#45 sonscar

sonscar

    Up Into Fourth

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,726 posts
  • Location: crowle
  • Local Club: none

Posted 17 September 2023 - 08:14 AM

I largely agree with the above,I have been polishing my foil hat but threw my short sight goggles away.
Detective stories have a common theme"follow the money"this is true in most of life.
We are not killing the planet but we may be changing it.It will evolve,man is only a short blink in the planets life so far.We are killing ourselves and a select largely self appointed few are finding new angles to profit from it.
I feel sorry for my grandchildren for they will inherit the product of the greed of a few.
Very sad Steve..




0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users