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[Lowestoftmodder]

The motorist abides by the law and pays insurance, ved etc etc but there’s still more to be had.. they will keep taking again and again whilst we let them.

remember being told diesel was better for the world? Yes I’m that old lol. We bought diesel cars and then suddenly it’s no longer good and we have to pay more tax, more to park in some areas and can’t even access others! But it’s always the drivers fault and never the ones who make the rules

It’s all just a big con

Pay per mile sounds ok until you realise the Pandora’s box it opens about who can drive, when and where plus for how long. Currently our limitations are because of current fuel costs plus duties.. soon it will be cost implications because someone else decides to limit your freedoms digitally through fines etc
You won’t be able to travel through zones without permission, every movement tracked and you may have to justify why you are travelling as “for enjoyment” won’t be a viable answer

Anyone who gives up any freedom willingly doesn’t deserve it
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[Bobbins]

The legislation applicable to building and registering vehicles on the road is already set up to reduce emissions, the biggest step being the change to zero emission vehicles coming in the next decade. The ULEZ is simply a method that a council area can use local means to raise local revenue, it’s not about clean air, that’s already being sorted.
Maybe investigate revenue raised from road transport vs spend on the roads? It’s all information that’s readily available and IIRC the revenue take is around £35b, the total spend us £7b. The ULEZ is just another local tax.

[DeadSquare]

Ernest Marples MP, was not a popular Minister of Transport.

 

In those days there was a difference between the registered owner of a vehicle and the registered keeper.

 

Following an RAC Motorsport Division, April Fool story, many motor enthusiasts named Mr. Marples as the registered keeper.

 

This made him legally liable for parking fines etc:

[Designer]

Shame that is not the case today if it was I think Sadiq Khan would surpass Earnest Maples's tally by a few million.

[Steam]

The legislation applicable to building and registering vehicles on the road is already set up to reduce emissions, the biggest step being the change to zero emission vehicles coming in the next decade. The ULEZ is simply a method that a council area can use local means to raise local revenue, it’s not about clean air, that’s already being sorted.
Maybe investigate revenue raised from road transport vs spend on the roads? It’s all information that’s readily available and IIRC the revenue take is around £35b, the total spend us £7b. The ULEZ is just another local tax.

There is no such thing as a zero emmissions vehicle.
Clean air is also a myth. Planes and ships.

[Bobbins]

 

The legislation applicable to building and registering vehicles on the road is already set up to reduce emissions, the biggest step being the change to zero emission vehicles coming in the next decade. The ULEZ is simply a method that a council area can use local means to raise local revenue, it’s not about clean air, that’s already being sorted.
Maybe investigate revenue raised from road transport vs spend on the roads? It’s all information that’s readily available and IIRC the revenue take is around £35b, the total spend us £7b. The ULEZ is just another local tax.

There is no such thing as a zero emmissions vehicle.
Clean air is also a myth. Planes and ships.

 

 

Zero emissions at point of use. But you knew that.

[Steam]

The legislation applicable to building and registering vehicles on the road is already set up to reduce emissions, the biggest step being the change to zero emission vehicles coming in the next decade. The ULEZ is simply a method that a council area can use local means to raise local revenue, it’s not about clean air, that’s already being sorted.
Maybe investigate revenue raised from road transport vs spend on the roads? It’s all information that’s readily available and IIRC the revenue take is around £35b, the total spend us £7b. The ULEZ is just another local tax.

There is no such thing as a zero emmissions vehicle.
Clean air is also a myth. Planes and ships.

 
Zero emissions at point of use. But you knew that.

Then it is not zero emmissions. I am playing devils advocate somewhat but the false and misleading information regarding emmissions , EV , etc really $#!?$ me.

[Bobbins]

 

 

 

The legislation applicable to building and registering vehicles on the road is already set up to reduce emissions, the biggest step being the change to zero emission vehicles coming in the next decade. The ULEZ is simply a method that a council area can use local means to raise local revenue, it’s not about clean air, that’s already being sorted.
Maybe investigate revenue raised from road transport vs spend on the roads? It’s all information that’s readily available and IIRC the revenue take is around £35b, the total spend us £7b. The ULEZ is just another local tax.

There is no such thing as a zero emmissions vehicle.
Clean air is also a myth. Planes and ships.

 
Zero emissions at point of use. But you knew that.

Then it is not zero emmissions. I am playing devils advocate somewhat but the false and misleading information regarding emmissions , EV , etc really $#!?$ me.

 

 

Yes it's frustrating, a little like VW.

[sonikk4]

 

The legislation applicable to building and registering vehicles on the road is already set up to reduce emissions, the biggest step being the change to zero emission vehicles coming in the next decade. The ULEZ is simply a method that a council area can use local means to raise local revenue, it’s not about clean air, that’s already being sorted.
Maybe investigate revenue raised from road transport vs spend on the roads? It’s all information that’s readily available and IIRC the revenue take is around £35b, the total spend us £7b. The ULEZ is just another local tax.

There is no such thing as a zero emmissions vehicle.
Clean air is also a myth. Planes and ships.

Trains as well, this Zero emission it’s the biggest con out there.

Just where do people think power is generated and how is that item generating the power built from and by?? Do they understand we live on an island and so how do our goods from abroad which we rely on heavily all come from??

No matter what we use unless the ship that is used is built out of reeds, cut from shards of flint, tied together with strands of bark, all cut by someone either buck naked or wear some form of clothing made of vegetation of some form or another, nothing is truly zero emission free.

It’s hypocrisy on the biggest scale ever.

Yes we can minimise emissions but in our modern society it’s virtually impossible to be Zero emitters.

[mab01uk]

Not to mention that the drive towards electric cars is already seeing a big increase in new cars being shipped in from China rather than built more locally in UK and Europe and as said above guess what powers all the ships.....

Edited by mab01uk, 21 August 2023 - 04:21 PM.

[sonikk4]

Not to mention that the drive towards electric cars is already seeing a big increase in new cars being shipped in from China rather than built more locally in UK and Europe and as said above guess what powers all the ships.....

Although today it’s been announced there is now a large freighter powered by aero foils, not sails sailing the seas. Again all well and good, however the bloody ship is not built from reeds but from steel, plastic etc etc. So how long would that need to operate to be truly a Zero Emission's vessel??

[mab01uk]

Recent news reports said the combined market value of Germanys car makers - BMW, Mercedes, Volkswagen and Porsche is barely 50 per cent of Elon Musk's Tesla and Chinese manufactured EV's are eating away Germany's once huge share of the car market....

 

Electric Mini production to move from Oxford to China:-
https://www.bbc.co.u...dshire-63269974

 

Edited by mab01uk, 22 August 2023 - 07:48 PM.

[sonscar]

Search ship scrapping for some truly environment and human friendly sights.It is a con but the public are lapping it up.Almost glad that am am fast approaching twilight years?Steve..

[coopertaz]

are we really surprised that there is so much hipocrisy surrounding zero emissions? that is the reason that net zero and carbon neutral are now banded around more

[Lowestoftmodder]

Soon we will have a carbon tax on our homes.. aren’t they discussing a ulez on buildings in inner London?
All a money grab from the motorist rather than correctly tax the 0.1% plus the extra 192 billionaires created in lockdown and since.

Corruption and money favours, plus dodgy loans on £6k wallpaper etc all leave me with a dodgy taste in my mouth when talking about ulez

If we had a government we trusted to genuinely have the people’s best interests at heart rather than “big money” I think we would all swallow the changes a little better?
I’m not saying ulez is all big money.. it’s just that the government is untrustworthy.. no matter what colour is in office (at least in my lifetime anyway)

Edited by Lowestoftmodder, 25 August 2023 - 05:08 PM.