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#121 68+86auto

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Posted 09 October 2025 - 11:21 PM

 



The noise is probably the weights since it reaches full advance. If the springs were loose zero wouldn't be zero as the distributor would've started advancing and therefore it would show up as less total advance.

 

My experience is that the weights rattle on low rpm. At full rpm they are in silent - maybe they passed out  :D

 

I measured the dizzy from my 1975 998. It is from MiniSpares, part number BAU1962MS. The description says it has the 41418 curve but it is a little bit different. Should I adjust it ? 

 

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You could change it but advancing the timing by two degrees is easier. To recurve it, the first step would be to slightly lengthen the secondary spring.

Are you doing the testing while decelerating or accelerating? If that is accelerating, doing the deceleration test might make it be in spec. The specs are for the deceleration test. Deceleration normally has a bit more advance than acceleration.



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Posted 10 October 2025 - 07:34 AM

 

 



The noise is probably the weights since it reaches full advance. If the springs were loose zero wouldn't be zero as the distributor would've started advancing and therefore it would show up as less total advance.

 

My experience is that the weights rattle on low rpm. At full rpm they are in silent - maybe they passed out  :D

 

I measured the dizzy from my 1975 998. It is from MiniSpares, part number BAU1962MS. The description says it has the 41418 curve but it is a little bit different. Should I adjust it ? 

 

attachicon.gif Képernyőkép 2025-10-09 153906.jpg

 

 

 

You could change it but advancing the timing by two degrees is easier. To recurve it, the first step would be to slightly lengthen the secondary spring.

Are you doing the testing while decelerating or accelerating? If that is accelerating, doing the deceleration test might make it be in spec. The specs are for the deceleration test. Deceleration normally has a bit more advance than acceleration.

 

 

I tried both decel and acel measurements. They are pretty equal but I am still a beginner  :proud:

 

Spider suggested to remove the coil from the circuit because of that the arc length alters with rpm changes. Now I reinstalled because of the Smiths tacho won't work without it. Now the arc length is constant. 

 

And I found a nice little instrument which I bought, I hope I receive it in 1-2 days  ;D

 

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Posted 12 October 2025 - 07:17 AM

These tiny LED's don't last long, I have to install better ones.

 

On the 25D the screw that fixes the contact also acts like a limiter for the vacuum advance?

 

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Posted 12 October 2025 - 09:35 AM

It shouldn't. If the advance is stopped by anything other than the vacuum unit it will likely tilt the points and therefore change the dwell. The dwell shouldn't change more than say 1 degree with the vacuum advance.

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Posted 12 October 2025 - 02:55 PM

It shouldn't. If the advance is stopped by anything other than the vacuum unit it will likely tilt the points and therefore change the dwell. The dwell shouldn't change more than say 1 degree with the vacuum advance.

 

I see thanks

 

How should I wire up the electronic dizzy without the coil ?

 

I measured my BAU1962 some days ago but with the coil in the circuit



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Posted 12 October 2025 - 10:58 PM

 

It shouldn't. If the advance is stopped by anything other than the vacuum unit it will likely tilt the points and therefore change the dwell. The dwell shouldn't change more than say 1 degree with the vacuum advance.

 

I see thanks

 

How should I wire up the electronic dizzy without the coil ?

 

I measured my BAU1962 some days ago but with the coil in the circuit

 

 

The lead which normally goes to the coil negative gets connected like a points distributor. You then need to connect the power wire to a positive supply which could be built into the machine or even just a 9v battery. The negative of the supply gets connected to the distributor body.



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Posted 13 October 2025 - 09:55 AM



 



 



It shouldn't. If the advance is stopped by anything other than the vacuum unit it will likely tilt the points and therefore change the dwell. The dwell shouldn't change more than say 1 degree with the vacuum advance.

 

I see thanks

 

How should I wire up the electronic dizzy without the coil ?

 

I measured my BAU1962 some days ago but with the coil in the circuit

 

 

The lead which normally goes to the coil negative gets connected like a points distributor. You then need to connect the power wire to a positive supply which could be built into the machine or even just a 9v battery. The negative of the supply gets connected to the distributor body.

 

 

I connected exactly like this but it does not work. The LED is good, because it works with a normal dizzy.

 

It should be like my very "basic" diagram ? 

 

Maybe I discard the LED function from the machine  and I will use a regular strobe for timing and my multimeter for Dwell measure

 

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Edited by gaspen, 13 October 2025 - 04:34 PM.


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Posted 13 October 2025 - 11:40 PM

 

 

 

It shouldn't. If the advance is stopped by anything other than the vacuum unit it will likely tilt the points and therefore change the dwell. The dwell shouldn't change more than say 1 degree with the vacuum advance.

 

I see thanks

 

How should I wire up the electronic dizzy without the coil ?

 

I measured my BAU1962 some days ago but with the coil in the circuit

 

 

The lead which normally goes to the coil negative gets connected like a points distributor. You then need to connect the power wire to a positive supply which could be built into the machine or even just a 9v battery. The negative of the supply gets connected to the distributor body.

 

 

I connected exactly like this but it does not work. The LED is good, because it works with a normal dizzy.

 

It should be like my very "basic" diagram ? 

 

Maybe I discard the LED function from the machine  and I will use a regular strobe for timing and my multimeter for Dwell measure

 

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Only the red wire should go to the battery positive. The black wire should only go to the distributor machine just like a points distributor.



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Posted 11 December 2025 - 11:28 AM

So I played agian with the machine. With points dizzy it can switch the LED's without coil 

 

With a electronic module I have to install a coil in the circuit but in this case it kills the LED's almost  instantly

 

Maybe I am wrong but I guess it caused by the voltage peaks in the primary circuit

 

Maybe I should install a capacitor for the LED's ?



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Posted 11 December 2025 - 05:53 PM

Instead of the coil, fit a 2 ohm, 100 watt resistor. You'd possibly need to go to an Industrial supplier for such a unit, if that too difficult to find, use 10 x 20 ohm, 10 watt resistors in parallel. Space them well apart and be warned, they will get hot.



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Posted 12 December 2025 - 09:53 AM

Instead of the coil, fit a 2 ohm, 100 watt resistor. You'd possibly need to go to an Industrial supplier for such a unit, if that too difficult to find, use 10 x 20 ohm, 10 watt resistors in parallel. Space them well apart and be warned, they will get hot.

 

I see,thanks !


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Posted 12 December 2025 - 12:49 PM

A ballast resistor should work. Might be easier to get for you.



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Posted 12 December 2025 - 04:59 PM



A ballast resistor should work. Might be easier to get for you.

 

I should simply connect it in the primary circuit ?

 

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Posted 12 December 2025 - 11:34 PM

 

 

 

It shouldn't. If the advance is stopped by anything other than the vacuum unit it will likely tilt the points and therefore change the dwell. The dwell shouldn't change more than say 1 degree with the vacuum advance.

 

I see thanks

 

How should I wire up the electronic dizzy without the coil ?

 

I measured my BAU1962 some days ago but with the coil in the circuit

 

 

The lead which normally goes to the coil negative gets connected like a points distributor. You then need to connect the power wire to a positive supply which could be built into the machine or even just a 9v battery. The negative of the supply gets connected to the distributor body.

 

 

I connected exactly like this but it does not work. The LED is good, because it works with a normal dizzy.

 

It should be like my very "basic" diagram ? 

 

Maybe I discard the LED function from the machine  and I will use a regular strobe for timing and my multimeter for Dwell measure

 

attachicon.gif powerspark-powerspark-electronic-ignition-kit-for-lucas-35d-distributor-k3_24v__52995.jpg

 

 

I doubt your distributor would like that very much. The output you have here hard connected to the +12V. Given that it switches to Earth it may well damage the module.

 

My suggestion earlier for using a resistor in place of the coil is twofold;-

 

Firstly, with a Coil, it stores energy sorta like a capacitor, however on opening the charging supply, unless it has a moderate load, it will produce a high voltage spike of a few hundred volts. I doubt the LED would like that and it's likely why the LEDs are going to god.

Secondly, on the points or module opening and thus 'firing' the coil, the charge in it doesn't disappear right away but decays over time, only millisecond, but none the less, it's not instant. If the LED survives the initial spike, the coil discharge time will keep the LED illuminated, thus totally distorting the true dwell period as observed.

I suggested a 2.0 Ohm Resistor as many coils for use with electronic modules seem to be 1.5 ohms and some at 0,8 ohms, (though I think some too are 3.0 ohms, so you may need to check here). Without getting too hung up on how such coils behave in an ignition circuit, from a testing perspective (with your machine) what's important is that you don't exceed the current that the module will withstand. With a 2.0 ohm resistor that's around 6 amps (and that's pretty much inline with a coil). Passing more current through it than it's rated for will usually damage the module. If it's rated for a 1.5 ohm coil, and you use a 2 ohm resistor on it, that will pass less than it's maximum rating and so will survive happily.

 

Respectfully, I did read 68/86's suggestion of a Ballast Resistor, these are usually anywhere from 0.8 to 2.5 ohms but only have a ~ 15 - 20 watt rating. Just running the sums on that, at 0.8 ohms, that's 15 amps and 180 watts and at 2.5 ohms, that's 4.8 amps and (near enough) 60 watts, so it wouldn't be suitable, though you maybe able to use a higher resistance type for short periods as in realty, it's not being continuously connected.

In normal use a Ballast Resistor don't have a full 12 volts across it, but is used in series with the coil to drop the voltage at the coil to around 9 volts. This is usually done to aid with starting, when the Ballast Resistor is by passed and so a full 12 volts is presented to the coil instead of the running voltage of 9 volts. So, there's only around 3 volts across the Ballast, and so the actual wattage of them need be way less than if it was the full 12 volts



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Posted 13 December 2025 - 05:39 AM

I should've thought about the wattage issue.

 

I can't remember exactly what resistors my machine uses but I think they are much higher resistance so the wattage can be lower. It uses 15v DC and the load is enough to spark if the points or condenser are poor. On high energy ignition systems it makes the dwell run really high but that doesn't cause any issues for testing, the manufacturer designed it (cheaply) to work with those systems.

 

As another "hack" solution, you could use light bulbs.






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