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Best Answer ACDodd , 15 December 2025 - 02:02 PM

As you have now identified it's I variable dwell and powerspark, I can confirm it will run perfectly with a 1.5 ohm coil, no lower.

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#16 Lplus

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Posted 07 January 2026 - 10:27 AM

 

Is your graph showing dizzy advance or crankshaft advance?

 

These are crank values. I measured it on my distributor machine and mutiplied by 2 for the graph. The engine is restored but remained a standard 850, the car is still in the paintshop but I would like to prepare myself 

 

Timing is set at full advance figure, if your engine needs 28degrees to achieve max power, then time it at 28degrees at 5000rpm. The lost motion in the engine and the advance curve shape will determine where the static advance ends up.
Basically you don't time an engine at idle.

 

I know this but I will need a basic setup for the 1st start. 

 

Theoretically : if the engine is happy with 28 d's max advance, but the dizzy produces 30 d's it should be adjusted to 2 d's static ATDC ?

 

In practice I should limit the max advance by 2 d's at least ?

 

The static timing for an 850 with the 41026 was tdc.  The max centrifugal advance for a 41026 is 34 crankshaft degrees.  Thus the max centrifugal advance for an 850 is 34 crankshaft degrees,  Give the max advance evident on your new distributor appears to be 30 crankshaft degrees, it would be a good idea to add a small amount of static timing advance, say 3 degrees to ensure your max timing remains within the envelope you show for the works advance curves.



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Posted 07 January 2026 - 12:48 PM

That curve is next to useless, build something with 12 degrees static, 22 degrees at 2000 and 34 degrees full advance at 4000rpm.

Install at 12 degrees BTDC static for first start, time dynamically after it's running.

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Posted 07 January 2026 - 01:33 PM

That curve is next to useless, build something with 12 degrees static, 22 degrees at 2000 and 34 degrees full advance at 4000rpm.

Install at 12 degrees BTDC static for first start, time dynamically after it's running.

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So given 12 degrees static that would require a curve that produced 10 degrees at 2000 rpm and 22 degrees max from 4000rpm?  Adding the 12 static setting that gives your 22 degrees and 34 degrees.



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Posted 07 January 2026 - 02:11 PM

That is correct.

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Posted 07 January 2026 - 03:28 PM

That curve is next to useless, build something with 12 degrees static, 22 degrees at 2000 and 34 degrees full advance at 4000rpm.

Install at 12 degrees BTDC static for first start, time dynamically after it's running.

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Thanks a lot AC ! It is very heplful  :proud: I have no chance to send my dizzys to you from Hungary, I wish I could

 

May I ask some suggestion about my other dizzy as well ?

 

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Posted 08 January 2026 - 07:50 AM

That is correct.

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Where would one find a supplier of the correct cam/endstop and springs of the correct strength/length to achieve that advance curve?



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Posted 08 January 2026 - 07:59 AM

 

That is correct.

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Where would one find a supplier of the correct cam/endstop and springs of the correct strength/length to achieve that advance curve?

 

 

I guess there is no spare parts available for these units. For less advance* you have to solder/weld to the stop or rasp from it for more advance. 

 

*Is it a usable idea to place a small ring around the spring"s post to achieve less advance ? I see this solution in another type of dizzys.



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Posted 08 January 2026 - 08:03 AM

Watch both parts;

https://youtu.be/3WJ...z0DwaJvCakxYXQM

Adding metal to the stop is how you reduce the total advance length.


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Edited by ACDodd, 08 January 2026 - 08:16 AM.


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Posted 08 January 2026 - 09:18 AM

The washer won't be able to go on without interfering with the spring.


Edited by 68+86auto, 08 January 2026 - 09:19 AM.


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Posted 08 January 2026 - 10:29 AM

What type of bushing is that ? 

 

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Posted 11 January 2026 - 07:04 PM

After grouping my springs and some trial I've ended up with this curve. The original primary spring was almost good, but I made it a tiny bit shorter. For the secondary I've found a little bit weaker. Also I weld-up the cam for 11 degrees max. advance.

 

(I've added 0.5 degree for the red graph to see the "difference")

 

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Posted 11 January 2026 - 08:10 PM

That should run hard.

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Posted 11 January 2026 - 08:16 PM

That should run hard.

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What do you mean by that?



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Posted 11 January 2026 - 08:40 PM

Run well/strong.

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Posted 11 January 2026 - 09:34 PM

Run well/strong.

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Oh, I see  :D

 

We will see at springtime...






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