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[directorydaz]

Hey guys..

In an engine there are many many many componants that can go wrong and fail, often with one failure causing a knock on effect and breaking soemthing else..

Unless you have it fully built when you buy it you are never going to get a "propper warranty" on it, as often its the build that can brind on these failures.

I know somebody, who brought an engine from one company (i think it was morespeed but doesnt matter) and built by another.

200 miles into running in the crank snapped, the engine supplier blamed the fitters, and the fitters blamed suppliers

To get a full and propper waranty (ie, remove, fix, refit and return) you will have to Buy the engine complete from company A, have it fitted by company A, run in by company A, Rolling roaded by company A

from what i read jon speed have been more that reasonable at the start, and to be honest there offer of fixing it seemed ok, however, for you to ask them to remove it fix it etc, thats just not going to happen, by ANY company

I would say the only way out from this engine from here, is to take it back to johnspeed (out of the car as you brought it) get them to put it straight and then sell it as a new engine and start again!

or you could waste you time going the legal route IMHO, in court (if it went that far) you would be asked things like whats your training to give this diagonosis, was the other bitts fitted by trained people (ie the head) etc etc

Before you ask, i have never brought anything from jonspeed, nor am i trying to stick up for wither side, i am just trying to give you an honest overveiw without the BS

[minisprint]

Hey guys..

In an engine there are many many many componants that can go wrong and fail, often with one failure causing a knock on effect and breaking soemthing else..

Unless you have it fully built when you buy it you are never going to get a "propper warranty" on it, as often its the build that can brind on these failures.

To get a full and propper waranty (ie, remove, fix, refit and return) you will have to Buy the engine complete from company A, have it fitted by company A, run in by company A, Rolling roaded by company A

agree with these comments that why ive said take it to a specialist! for example the piston could have broken up and gone in the oil pump causing the damage to the crank?the white metal in the rocker cover could have been from the piston?in both these cases its probable caused by a faulty piston from what has been said in al's post! in which jonspeed surplied!and are liable for in my opinion.Correct me if I am wrong!

[directorydaz]

The question arises as to how could the swarf have come from Jonspeed as alleged?

The engine was supplied with brand new studs. It is possible that the customer could have sheared one off at 50 lbs/ft but unlikely. Jonspeed did their own tests on calibrated equipment and found the shear point to be between 80 and 100 lbs/ft.

Was the rebuilt engine run with one stud snapped? Jonspeed do not know as they did not fit the head.

I think this is a very Key point IMHO

Any debis found inside the engine will always be down to the builder not assembling correctly and the bit in bold is what jonspeed will and should stick with, anything they do for the customer will be of "good will" and should be accepted

I am sure that would stand in court as well, from an engineer point of veiw that seems perfectly viable

take the lump out, take it back and ask nicley if they will put it straight for you, Maybe offer to pay them to build it! then if it goes wrong again its down to them to fix, but not remove and replace...

If you want that kind of warranty, you will have to PAY them to fit the engine, and PAY them to build it to a std they are happy with, once that is done any failure will be down to them, inc labour for removing and repairing

Edited by dazzler, 09 November 2007 - 01:48 AM.

[almichie]

i personnally wont be taking the engine apart, if anyone does it an independant engine specialist will be as if i did i could put anything into it etc i would rather someone who has no part to play in this that doesn't know me or jonspeed that way a fair report would be shown of the engine

oh and did i mention that im a senior engineer???

Edited by almichie, 09 November 2007 - 05:55 AM.

[Baldspeed Racing]

Jonspeed are local to me and I wouldnt touch them with a barge pole from the stuff I have heard about them. I get my stuff sorted from Southam Mini Metro Centre or Min-its

Lol! Jonnspeed get most of their spares from Min-Its and use Southam to carry out the rolling road work!

This is exactly why I disagree with this sort of post, you must sort it out with the company directly, it is an issue between them and you not any of us. It's a bit like a school playground on here sometimes.......and I know that comment will get me in trouble unless I am allowed the same "right to free speech" that everyone else is demanding!

Yeh I know they use SMMC for the rolling road as ive seen some of the scary super charge kits they do, and also they have said about they buy stuff from Min-its

[Jammy]

if one of your parents lost their business and possibly house due to things that have been said on an internet forum, I am sure you would feel aggrieved.

As I said in the staff room, if a company is so fragile that they have to close down due to a few comments made on an internet forum, I would say those that run the company should be looking at changing something in the running or organisation of that company, rather than blaming those comments said.

[clubman katie B.F]

Dr. Jammy...at present this post has been read opened 806 times, and there are nearly 10,000 members on here that can comment on the situation basing there comments on second hand information, from an unhappy member of our forum. this is not including non forum members who can come and have a peak at our posts. If we say that 200 different people have read this post, and half tell a friend about how poor the company is based on what they have read on here. Then that is 300 people who will not be using the company in question. i think people underestimate the power that the forum has.

From what i can make out, the guy bought an engine kit from the company, assembled it himself, bought the head, fitted that himself, and installed the engine himself. i don't know how any company can offer a guarantee on an engine that they haven't built themselves. which in my opinion is why we pay less for an engine kit than we do for a fully built engine, built in a specialist workshop, built with specialized tools by someone who has many years experience in building and racing mini engines.

[mk3 Cooper S]

Dr. Jammy...at present this post has been read opened 806 times, and there are nearly 10,000 members on here that can comment on the situation basing there comments on second hand information, from an unhappy member of our forum. this is not including non forum members who can come and have a peak at our posts. If we say that 200 different people have read this post, and half tell a friend about how poor the company is based on what they have read on here. Then that is 300 people who will not be using the company in question. i think people underestimate the power that the forum has.

From what i can make out, the guy bought an engine kit from the company, assembled it himself, bought the head, fitted that himself, and installed the engine himself. i don't know how any company can offer a guarantee on an engine that they haven't built themselves. which in my opinion is why we pay less for an engine kit than we do for a fully built engine, built in a specialist workshop, built with specialized tools by someone who has many years experience in building and racing mini engines.

£2500 for an 1275 +60 engine in part form?

[Bungle]

this topic is going around in circles now and i cant really see any difference in this topic than beans HIC topic

it needs to be either closed or any posts removed from people who have not used jon speed and their experiences with them

[mk3 Cooper S]

this topic is going around in circles now and i cant really see any difference in this topic than beans HIC topic

it needs to be either closed or any posts removed from people who have not used jon speed and their experiences with them

Sorry I was under the impression this was a forum??

[directorydaz]

From what i can make out, the guy bought an engine kit from the company, assembled it himself, bought the head, fitted that himself, and installed the engine himself. i don't know how any company can offer a guarantee on an engine that they haven't built themselves. which in my opinion is why we pay less for an engine kit than we do for a fully built engine, built in a specialist workshop, built with specialized tools by someone who has many years experience in building and racing mini engines.

Thats exactly what i said hurray!

If this even lead to a court case, which i doubt, on that bassis alone it wouldnt get very far.

Sorry dude, as said in my post the best way is to be nice to Jonspeed and try and get this sorted on Good will if they are still prepared to help

[Jammy]

Dr. Jammy...at present this post has been read opened 806 times, and there are nearly 10,000 members on here that can comment on the situation basing there comments on second hand information, from an unhappy member of our forum. this is not including non forum members who can come and have a peak at our posts. If we say that 200 different people have read this post, and half tell a friend about how poor the company is based on what they have read on here. Then that is 300 people who will not be using the company in question. i think people underestimate the power that the forum has.

Never mind about 10, 000 members, the point is that the topic has only be read 800 times. Now you've got to say that several people have probably read posts on here a number of times. I know I've certainly opened this topic at least a dozen times. So the true number of unique people that have actually read the topic is probably no more than 400. Out of that 400, the number that will actually ever have thought about buying from Jonspeed instead of other companies, and now, because of this thread won't, is probably no more than a handful. I would say the damage done from this topic alone, will not do much damage to Jonspeeds annual profits at the end of the day.

Having said that, if a companies name keeps appearing in complaints on any internet forum, then of course your going to remember not to use them in future, and if a company keeps getting complaints that maybe thats a wise decision, no matter how if affects the people that run that business, their families, friends, pets, etc.

[Jake Blues]

£2500 for an 1275 +60 engine in part form?

If you read the original posts carefully you will see why.

[mk3 Cooper S]

£2500 for an 1275 +60 engine in part form?

If you read the original posts carefully you will see why.

I had a new engine, 1275 +60thou - plus pitons. new crank grind, unltra light flywheel, vernier timing gear, sw5-07 cam,
gearbox overhauled, etc etc etc totalling £2500, now you would think that £2500 would buy you
rather a good quality engine...

I thought I did but now I have read it again it may have have included gearbox work too?

[wolfys_mini]

we have all read the opinons on various companies lately. no one makes you go to these companies.

learn by others mistakes. i am sure that many people have had good experiences with jonspeed and other companies that seem to be getting a slagging.

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