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[miniman andy]

just seen a Rover 416 1.6 Honda Engine (Engine Code: D16)
would one of them go in the front of a mini?

[jonas]

just seen a Rover 416 1.6 Honda Engine (Engine Code: D16)
would one of them go in the front of a mini?

yes sure, with a good hammer you can do everything!

Or you can use that electric supercharger to operate directly at the front wheel by friction. Must give some reasonable power

[miniman andy]

ok how about a 1.6 new mini desiel engine?

i donno im totally confuddled!

so far i might stick to the poll with a 1380 supercharger!

[Joshmini]

Get a 2.0l redtop engine stick it in the front, they give lots of bhp!



Like that ^^

Edited by Joshmini, 24 January 2008 - 06:34 PM.

[TimS]

A simple browse on the 16valve Mini Clubs forum will reveal a whole host of different engines that have already been fitted to minis and who pre fabs frames and parts to fit them.

For Vauxhall you can fit the Redtop without a front end extension, but it is a heavy engine, which is what put me off. I went for the X16XE which is the 1.6 16Valve Ecotec, with just throttle bodies should be making around 160bhp and have less weight than the Redtop.

The Rover K series engines will easily fit in the front of the Mini and so will the Honda B and D series, you can even buy kits to fit the Honda K series engine.

A new conversion that Rob at Allspeed has just started producing frames for is the ford 2 litre Duratec engine. I wish I had this choice when I was deciding as its an all alloy block and head keeping weight down. The similar throttle bodies to mine you are looking at reliable power figures of around 203bhp And if you have the money SBD can hike this up to around 304bhp in an NA form.

The advantages you are going to get over using the A series is 5 gears, a stronger more reliable box, more power, more torque, more potential higher fuel economy (in some cases) and more reliability.

[biggav]

I think you need to slow yourself down and think about one thing at a time. find some people near to you with red tops, honda's, zcars, A-series turbo/superchargers etc and see if you can pop round and get a look at them.

to be honest if you have been driving a 998, i'd personally be getting a 1275 built up to a decent spec ready to drop in (you can change an engine in a day and not have to worry about shoe horning and re-engineering stuff.) It also means that you can do bits in stages IE get a decent bottom end, lightened and balanced crank, decent pistons (bore it out if you must) SCCR gearbox, diff and a 3.44: FD or higher ratio for more acceleration. You can then get the engine in to the car and drive/ get used to driving it again with probably more than double the power of your 998. may also be an idea to fit a remappable ignition (megajolt) at the same time befor fitting the engine. basically just eliminate all the weak points one at a time.

Once you have done that, you can change heads, rockers, carb set ups, exhaust fit supercharger, nitrous etc at your leisure.

I have a 1380 with a stage 4 head, 296 cam, nice exhaust, HIF44 with a very solid gearbox which scares the wee wee out of me whenever i get in it. it also has nitrous fitted which i balanced and tested but NEVER used... yet. once the car is rebuilt, i may consider a supercharger (the next logical step) but it doesn't need it to be quick, just to be quick...er.

[StaffordSi]

with the wonderful invention of the rs turbo, the head fits basicly straight onto the zetec block. all that needs doing is lowering the compression to about 7.4:1 with calibra turbo pistons and run 20psi with a chip and bigger injectors and the throttle body of the rs 500. st170 gear box and the rs turbo driveshafts fit. this should give you about 250 bhp. the zetec bottom ends are good to about 350 400 bhp...
the down fall with this is that the head is only an 8v. you can use the 2.0 zetec head but studs need to be repositioned but the ports of the inlet and the exhaust match which is a bonus...
anyway.... there not as bad as people make out... Fix Or Repair Daily comes to mind....
but defiantly not a diesel...

compression ratio is about 7.8:1 with LET pistons depending which Zetec you use (black top or silver top), you don't really need the throttle body off the RS500 unless you want it converting to L6, L8, P6 or S8, to use the ST170 gearbox you need the ST170 driveshafts because it uses equal length driveshafts. But to be honest a CTS STage1 would easily deal with that power.

to stick a CVH head on a Zetec bottom end you have to blank off the 4 front oil feeds, enlarge the water pump housing on the Zetec bottom end and use a cambelt tensioner off a 1.3 CVH which creates a ZVH

[ramani]

They all did up til 1995. 1.4, 1.6 and 2.0. They are exactly the same engine just with different bores and piston strokes. Post 1995 were largely Rover engines, and believe it or not, the Rover engine is the better of the two. Honda supplied the worst of their engines for Rover to use.
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[alexcrosse]

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Edited by alexcrosse, 27 August 2008 - 07:30 AM.

[dave1293gt]

compression ratio is about 7.8:1 with LET pistons depending which Zetec you use (black top or silver top), you don't really need the throttle body off the RS500 unless you want it converting to L6, L8, P6 or S8, to use the ST170 gearbox you need the ST170 driveshafts because it uses equal length driveshafts. But to be honest a CTS STage1 would easily deal with that power.

to stick a CVH head on a Zetec bottom end you have to blank off the 4 front oil feeds, enlarge the water pump housing on the Zetec bottom end and use a cambelt tensioner off a 1.3 CVH which creates a ZVH

Someone knows there stuff. lol

Mr Zetec/zvh, lives 2 miles from me i used to do all his welding.

Edited by dave1293gt, 28 August 2008 - 10:34 AM.

[Josie172cup]

sorry to bring this thread back up but im interested in what engine you chose ?

[Sam Walters]

any engine in the back.

in the front you have two options really from a handeling point of view.


a-series or r1. not alot else.

[wolfys_mini]

please do explain what you know sam?!

[Sam Walters]

weight over the front wheels.

a mini is alreaddy very heavy on the front as opposed to the back, extra weight doesnt really do it any good.

[The Matt]

How do the weights of these different engien conversions cost though? I mean has anyone done an actual weight comparison for different engine/gearbox combos? It'd make an interesting read to be honest.