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[mab01uk]

To be fair its fair game - the rules have been made and need to be played to.

Why? Haven't noticed our law making MP's following any of the rules and taxes they impose on us recently!!

Its a reasonable Mini bodyshell, if someone can use it to save a similar year rusty Mini good luck to them. Most early Minis especially Mk1 & 2 Cooper S's were restored that way using standard Minis as shell donors long before the latest government rules were brought in.......... and practically all the Works rally Minis have swapped shells and registrations as done by the BMC Competition Department at Abingdon throughout the 1960's and 70's.

[mattwho?]

i was told and in the paper that the shell has to be crushed no mater what

[Big Man]

re-register them?


yeah itl be a diff number plates but its the mini that counts, right?

Er I thought that before the dealer could get the money from the goverment that they had to have a certificicate of destruction for the "scrapped car" think that means crushed. Also when a COD is isued I dont belive that DVLA can isue a V5 in any way shape or form for that "scrapped" car.

BM

[monkey]

You are so so wrong, sorry.



Right forgetting the classic now....

It's not affecting second hand prices, second hand prices are dropping like fly's at the moment.

And the scrappage scheme has not changed anything, people just don't understand it. If I walk into any car showroom today I'll be able to get 2grand off the list price 90% of cars, simply by bargaining. No part-ex/scrappage scheme etc needed. I can then on top of that sell my banger that's worth £300 for £300, resulting in an additional saving of £300, or a total saving of £2300!!!

The reason the government introduced the scheme was not to encourage people to buy new cars. Any 10 year old car worth less than 2k is incredibly un-safe, and pollutes the environment, compared to a new car. So basically it is there way of getting un-safe, un-environmentally friendly cars off the road.

And that, no matter how much you attempt to argue, is a good thing!!!

OR you could go into the showroom, barter with them to get your 2grand off the car, and also do the scrappage thing to get another 2grand of.


So your saying that my R reg mondeo that I paid £600 for is unsafe????? It passed an MOT with no advisorys, and it has no rust at all. It has drivers airbag and crumple zones.

Why? Haven't noticed our law making MP's following any of the rules and taxes they impose on us recently!!

I totally agree with this statement but the fact of the matter is we have to play by the rules. If we dont like the rules then vote in a new government, and its down to the police to sort out anyone who is following the rules (ie MPs).


M44K TS - Is it really ringing it if you register it on a Q-Plate? Surly Q-plates are for kit cars made of parts of other cars? I must admit i dont know much about Q-Plates and ringing cars.

[Senile Old Git]

Scrappage victim .. I somehow doubt that ...


I bet that will be back on the road within 6 weeks!

[will.i.am]

All i'm going to say is theres going to be even less minis on the road with this scheme.You can buy a decent enough mini for say 1300/1500 pounds,if someones wanting to sell one for this price because they are wanting a NEW car its just ten times easier to scrap it for more money and thats one less mini on the road and not a half bad one at that.

[Ethel]

I don't buy that all new cars are safer and less polluting than all cars over ten years old, probably there's an net gain once you average out all the cars scrapped and the ones that replace them.

It's a bean counters exercise, the new cars will have the right bits of paper to satisfy targets - it doesn't mean the targets have any real value, but you can rest assured someone will have made a few quid out of chasing and monitoring them.

If it's really about saving the planet and lives they should have banned big 4x4's, high powered exec saloons & sports cars.

It might even fail with the "get the dangerous heaps off the road" aim more directly if serviceable cars go in the crusher forcing poorer motorists to buy old nails instead.

They could even have run "scrappage plus" by allowing people to swap worse cars for those traded in under similar terms. They could even have auctioned them and used the profits to extend the original scheme.

[redhotmini]

If it's really about saving the planet and lives they should have banned big 4x4's, high powered exec saloons & sports cars.

It might even fail with the "get the dangerous heaps off the road" aim more directly if serviceable cars go in the crusher forcing poorer motorists to buy old nails instead.

doubt they'll ban the bigger cars, they probably make a hell of a lot of money from just the annual road tax (which is a lot!), plus that would essentially kill off the car industry - no car industry = not vat from new cars = no road tax = no tax from fuel = a poor government. theres too much money coming from motorists that they can't just ban certain types of cars from the roads, especially the types where they can rape the drivers of said cars of more tax, so their way is to tax them out of big cars.

ive seen toms of old sheds for sale which are quite cheap too, it seems to be the more serviceable cars which are being scrapped, generlly the scrapped cars are coming from buyers who were thinking about a new car, and thinking the scrappage scheme is a good thing (mostly older people who cant quite grasp the fact that their 1 owner form new, VW corrado VR6 with full VW service history, is absolutely mint etc etc is worth £2500 if sold privately, plus we could have got him a better deal on the new car then, but he was insistant that it should be scrpped). but the used car market is dead, partly because of the scrappage incentive, and partly because others are hanging onto their cars, rather than selling them and buying a 2 or 3 year old car. there are some really good used bargains out there, but you just have to look even harder as theres not as many as there used to be.

[Lukie-J]

Maybe they should offer more money off a new car if you scrap a gas-guzzler than if you scrap something with a smaller engine, ie, euroboxes (and minis of course)?

Surely some cars that you can buy for under £2000 wouldn't be too bad to keep on the roads!

[M44K TS]

M44K TS - Is it really ringing it if you register it on a Q-Plate? Surly Q-plates are for kit cars made of parts of other cars? I must admit i dont know much about Q-Plates and ringing cars.

I think you may have sort of combined 2 different posts in asking that question

If a car is re-registered on a Q plate that hasn't been declared scrapped or anything like that, then i'm sure that's ok, but if the vin number for the car has been marked as scrap scrapped and you are using the identity of another car that hasn't been scrapped, then that's ringing.

[Shifty]

Scrappage victim .. I somehow doubt that ...


I bet that will be back on the road within 6 weeks!

And be tax exempt as well!!

[roberts]

So your saying that my R reg mondeo that I paid £600 for is unsafe????? It passed an MOT with no advisorys, and it has no rust at all. It has drivers airbag and crumple zones.

I never said it was unsafe, I said it's no where near as safe as a new car, and I stand by that.

Anyway... since we have started this lets go on, as if anybody cares it's an interesting topic, also one I know a lot about, having unfortunately had to study at part of my degree (was part of the boring bits).

If you put the safety features spec sheet of your Mondeo next to the safety features spec sheet of a new cheap car, say a Toyota Ago, I think you would be quite surprised. It wont have anywhere near the standards of crash crumple zones, side impact bars, seat/dashbaord crash ergonomics etc. that the new cars have. Does your Mondeo even have a front passenger air bag? I know the Mk1 didn't upon release in 93, they might have added one by 96??

I guarantee it doesn't have a 3 point back middle seat belt... so if you ever have 3 kids in the back, then yes your car is unsafe!!

Anyway, that's just features to help the passengers in a crash, what about mentioning the new European legislation laws for pedestrian safety?

You also have to remember that your model Mondeo is not 13 years old, but 16 years old (the Mk1 Mondeo was released in 93), so it has safety features that were designed and tested 17/18 years ago.

So I stand by what I say with this one, the safety of 10 year old cars is appalling in comparison to a new car.

[Tommyboy12]

A bit sad but as said it will go to save others which are loved much more than this one.

Edited by Tommyboy12, 20 June 2009 - 03:46 PM.

[mab01uk]

M44K TS - Is it really ringing it if you register it on a Q-Plate? Surly Q-plates are for kit cars made of parts of other cars? I must admit i dont know much about Q-Plates and ringing cars.

I think you may have sort of combined 2 different posts in asking that question

If a car is re-registered on a Q plate that hasn't been declared scrapped or anything like that, then i'm sure that's ok, but if the vin number for the car has been marked as scrap scrapped and you are using the identity of another car that hasn't been scrapped, then that's ringing.

However, wouldn't Ringing normally be defined as involving a stolen car identity being changed?.............would you say most of the BMC Works Minis and many other classic Minis restored since by owners using a good identical secondhand shell (not stolen) from a perhaps less sought after/ more common model are therefore all ringers, even though this was legal throughout the 1960's, 70's and 80's and often declared by the owner?
For example in Practical Classics magazine recently a rare but basket-case MG 1100 was totally restored using a good secondhand donor shell from an otherwise beyond hope Austin 1100, with all the rare MG features, front panels, interior, engine, etc, carefully fitted as on the original............is this therefore also a ringer and should be taken from the owner and crushed because some government official again decided they can't be bothered to make any exceptions for a minority of classic car restoration enthusiasts?

[monkey]

The MK2 mondeo (1993-2000) (sorry im picky ) has a euro n-cap safety rating of 2.5. As does the new Fiat Panda (currently available to buy new).

I have compared to the Panda as that is the kind of small cheap car I would have to buy. I know there are safer cars in the same price bracket, I am just using this as an example to point out that you cannot use safety as a reason to scrap my car as the car that i replace it with may be just as unsafe.


As for passenger air bag in my car, I wouldn't have a clue, I only know its got a drivers airbag as I sit in front of the steering wheel that says "airbag" every time I drive the car

Anyway, to be fair I haven't properly researched into the safety of cars, my main point about the scrappage scheme is that it does nothing for the drivers like me, who still cannot afford to buy a new car. Yes my car maybe isn't as safe its brand new counter part, but my car is all I can afford, scrappage or no scrappage