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#46 roberts

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 04:19 PM

So they released the Mondeo in 1993 as the MK2? if that's the case what happened to the MK1??? :dontgetit: the MK2 came out in 1996 and it was a MK1 Mondeo with new bumpers... so it's the same car anyway.

Right, yes it had great Ncap rating, in fact it was the class leader back in it's day, wasn't it the first budget family car (as in not a BMW, merc etc.) with a driver air-bag, crumple zones, and side impact bars as standard?

But guess what.... the tests change ;) so achieving a 2.5 in 1993 means nothing in 2009.

It's like saying your B&W TV got a 5 star rating for picture quality back in 1820 when it was first released, so I must be as good as a new HDTV that got a 5 star rating in 2009 :(

My main point about the scrappage scheme is that it does nothing for the drivers like me, who still cannot afford to buy a new car. Yes my car maybe isn't as safe its brand new counter part, but my car is all I can afford, scrappage or no scrappage


That brings me back to my origial point....

The reason the government introduced the scheme was not to encourage people to buy new cars. Any 10 year old car worth less than 2k is incredibly un-safe, and pollutes the environment, compared to a new car. So basically it is there way of getting un-safe, un-environmentally friendly cars off the road.


I'm off the pub :P

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 04:37 PM

So they released the Mondeo in 1993 as the MK2? if that's the case what happened to the MK1??? :dontgetit: the MK2 came out in 1996 and it was a MK1 Mondeo with new bumpers... so it's the same car anyway.

Right, yes it had great Ncap rating, in fact it was the class leader back in it's day, wasn't it the first budget family car (as in not a BMW, merc etc.) with a driver air-bag, crumple zones, and side impact bars as standard?

But guess what.... the tests change ;) so achieving a 2.5 in 1993 means nothing in 2009.

It's like saying your B&W TV got a 5 star rating for picture quality back in 1820 when it was first released, so I must be as good as a new HDTV that got a 5 star rating in 2009 :(

My main point about the scrappage scheme is that it does nothing for the drivers like me, who still cannot afford to buy a new car. Yes my car maybe isn't as safe its brand new counter part, but my car is all I can afford, scrappage or no scrappage


That brings me back to my origial point....

The reason the government introduced the scheme was not to encourage people to buy new cars. Any 10 year old car worth less than 2k is incredibly un-safe, and pollutes the environment, compared to a new car. So basically it is there way of getting un-safe, un-environmentally friendly cars off the road.


I'm off the pub :P



Fair play on the safety thing, although you will never get me to agree that i actually buy a car based on how safe it is (I wouldn't of thought a mini would get any euro n cab stars). I also dont agree that any 10year old car worth less that 2k is "incredibly un-safe". Maybe the likes of my car isn't as safe as its modern counter parts, but its still a darn sight safer than alot of other cars. Surly the value of the car doesnt really come into it.
My example. Two MK2 mondeos, my one (for sale £600, perfect condition, but without all the toys, and 130k miles on the clock), and another MK2 mondeo, for sale £2,500, same as mine but it has the ST24 body kit, alloy wheels, nicer interior, 60k miles on the clock, and colour coded body bits, no scratches like mine has, leather seats, fog lights, leccy heated wing mirrors, leccy seats, leccy windows all round (ie all the toys).

So what makes my car less safe that the £2,500 better condition car? (bear in mind that whilst mine is a bit tatty, safety is not compromised at all).

You are saying the point of the scheme is to get "old", "unsafe" cars of the road, well as you only get the £2000 when you buy a "new" car, surly they are trying to get people to buy new cars!!

My other point is that I don't care why the scrappage scheme is there, I am not bothered if it was brought it to encourage people to buy new cars or not, the point remains that alot of people that it is aimed at (people like me, who drive "old" cars) still can't take advantage of the scrappage thing as we dont have the money!!

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 06:02 PM

The reason the government introduced the scheme was not to encourage people to buy new cars. Any 10 year old car worth less than 2k is incredibly un-safe, and pollutes the environment, compared to a new car. So basically it is there way of getting un-safe, un-environmentally friendly cars off the road.



What nonsense.

Ignoring the sweeping generalisation...

Everybody knows the scheme was introduced to help those stupid companies who over produce new cars even though the market is already saturated. If capitalism didnt demand that everyone own the latest gadget or newest car then we could all happily drive around in old cars.

These big companies contribute too much tax to be allowed to go under in the government's eyes, so a short reprieve for investment of future taxes is the aim of the scrappage scheme. Encouraging people to buy new cars will help cut pollution, but there is no specification about buying green cars with the scheme either - it can be any new car. So as Ethel said its all about moving beans.

The 2nd hand car/restoration industry is not small either (but in comparison, yeah ok it is), think about how much mini owners spend on new parts then think about all the other classic cars in the country. Basically the government is temporarily encouraging people to spend on a new car instead of try and repair and restore.

And remember this is only a short term scheme. With £300m dedicated to it. When the money has gone the scheme ends, which apparently is working so well it wont last until the Feb 2010 date intended.

And also the cost of new cars would have been increased in the run up to this offer to ensure the firms werent losing out - its just to get people to spend and boost the economy - recession anyone?

If the government wanted to get rid of old cars then they would legislate directly and save them selves dishing out £1000 a time.

As for safety. Fair enough new cars are safer. But alot of that depends on the driver. And also newer cars are 'less directly connected' to the mechanicals and so I personally feel less in control, which to me makes them more unsafe despite all the 'extras' that may be installed as safety features. If I feel I cant control the car then surely that means more chance of an accident?

Edited by CMcB, 20 June 2009 - 06:04 PM.


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Posted 20 June 2009 - 06:07 PM

i was told and in the paper that the shell has to be crushed no mater what


The shell does have to be crushed, but it appears that scrappys are allowed to sell parts. I havent had proper confirmation of this, but if it is the case then this is a good thing as it will allow mini owners to pillage them for parts. Although it is still a crying shame as the car obviously had to be in a decent state to be accepted under the scheme. And we've all seen some of the sheds people restore.

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 06:08 PM

The way I see it is, yes, we all knew some sort of classic was going to be traded in for £2k off a new car, but at the end of the day, some people have them as everyday cars, like I have my Fiat, and don't see the classic side that we here on TMF do.

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 06:11 PM

I totally Craig! I didn't realise that there was only £300m for the scheme?...

**goes to read up on the subject he is debating**

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 06:32 PM

Don't usually agree with CMcB (sorry mate) and I've stayed largely out of this thread... but he's speaking lots of sense right now... :(

No-one's going to be able to decide what cars are exempt ect... if (for example) i had a mk1 escort... but was told I couldn't scrap that as it's a classic... I'd probably complain it was against my human rights or something... lol

If I was that kind of person....

Ryan :dontgetit:

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 06:40 PM

Scrappage victim .. I somehow doubt that ...


I bet that will be back on the road within 6 weeks!



And be tax exempt as well!! :dontgetit:


My thoughts exactly.

I went to look at an early tax exempt 1970's (K reg I think) Mini the other month, for sale over the road from where I work. I looked inside to see three clocks behind the steering wheel, hazard lights, wipers on stalks, reclining seats with headrests, and the crowning glory was under the bonnet - a Single Point Injection engine. Nuff 'said.... LOL.

That said, the car we're referring to here doesn't look too bad. I fear that I'm currently restoring one that is far worse! Sure, the wings 'n things need replacing, but it looks solid in other areas, e.g. scuttles etc..... And the engine is one of the last carb versions, with an unleaded head.

It will indeed yield useful spares, but as others have said, I bet it'll be on it's way back for an MOT in no time............

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 07:42 PM

i was told and in the paper that the shell has to be crushed no mater what


The shell does have to be crushed, but it appears that scrappys are allowed to sell parts. I havent had proper confirmation of this, but if it is the case then this is a good thing as it will allow mini owners to pillage them for parts. Although it is still a crying shame as the car obviously had to be in a decent state to be accepted under the scheme. And we've all seen some of the sheds people restore.


I can confirm that the scrappys are selling parts from the scrappage cars.

A yard by me had a scrappage mini in, they are breaking it and I have bought some bits off it!!

The car looked like a 90's mayfair, not too bad to be honest, the guy who owned had spent a fortune on acessories, walnut dash, chrome bits, spotlamps etc.

#55 Mini-Mad-Craig

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 07:51 PM

:dontgetit: :( whats with the mondeo talk. not cool now, i just helped my dad try to fix the aircon, got underneath, undid the screws and the bumper fell on my head. Its a Mk2 mondeo. still, stop talking about mondeos please. :P

Edited by Mini-Mad-Craig, 20 June 2009 - 07:51 PM.


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Posted 20 June 2009 - 08:11 PM

Well put Cmcb :dontgetit:

Edited by bert998, 20 June 2009 - 08:45 PM.


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Posted 20 June 2009 - 08:28 PM

:dontgetit: :( whats with the mondeo talk. not cool now, i just helped my dad try to fix the aircon, got underneath, undid the screws and the bumper fell on my head. Its a Mk2 mondeo. still, stop talking about mondeos please. :P


LOL was talking about my car and using my situation as an example, I was getting all picky as it cost me £600, someone said all cars under £2000 are dangerously unsafe ;)

Sorry I been in a bad (argumentative) mood all day, I think I need to go back to bed and get back out the right side :errr:

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 08:33 PM

haha thanks ;)

We've not had it long, and ever scince we got it hes been like "oh it would have been even more of a bargain if the air-con worked" but cant get underneath because of his back (hes old you see). So after putting up with him muttering expletive's under his breath about it for two weeks, i just said come on then lets fix it. :dontgetit: :( was just out gas, all went well if it wasnt for the bumper incident.

anyyyway, this is a mini forum guys! :P

Edited by Mini-Mad-Craig, 20 June 2009 - 08:34 PM.


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Posted 20 June 2009 - 09:19 PM

300m :dontgetit: thats like

300,000 cars

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 10:27 PM

300m :dontgetit: thats like

300,000 cars



Indeed, but thankfully, mostly mundane Vauxhalls, Ford's, Citroens and hopefully people aren't stupid enough to bin some rare classics.




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