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Posted 01 January 2011 - 09:00 PM

And -who's going to check this - or even question it ? You don't need to tell anyone about a re-shell, you just get it MOTd and then tax it! But yes - ideally - you should use EVERYTHING from the Cooper - except the old rotten shell of course. But one subby looks pretty much like any other subby........

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Posted 01 January 2011 - 09:07 PM

And -who's going to check this - or even question it ? You don't need to tell anyone about a re-shell, you just get it MOTd and then tax it! But yes - ideally - you should use EVERYTHING from the Cooper - except the old rotten shell of course. But one subby looks pretty much like any other subby........

so realisticly, youre sayin keep the log book, and ring acar later useing new shell n doner parts, because that aint youre 8 points asbugle was talkin about, because there is nothin left of that car

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Posted 01 January 2011 - 09:27 PM

On another hand, I have heard over there the insurance on a mini that had a 1275 original is less then one where the 1275 is a modification. Just something to think about.

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Posted 01 January 2011 - 10:20 PM

so realisticly, youre sayin keep the log book, and ring acar later useing new shell n doner parts, because that aint youre 8 points asbugle was talkin about, because there is nothin left of that car

What is the difference between what bmcecosse described, and a heritage shell then? Bmcecosse said to use everything from the cooper bar the rotten shell
Using a rust free shell to replace a shell that is beyond economical repair. Does it really matter who stripped it/rebuilt it and how long it took?

Edited by charie t, 01 January 2011 - 10:23 PM.


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Posted 01 January 2011 - 10:40 PM

a new shell has no identity so you can put one on it

a second had shell already has a identity so you can't legally remove it and fit a different one

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Posted 01 January 2011 - 10:41 PM

so realisticly, youre sayin keep the log book, and ring acar later useing new shell n doner parts, because that aint youre 8 points asbugle was talkin about, because there is nothin left of that car

What is the difference between what bmcecosse described, and a heritage shell then? Bmcecosse said to use everything from the cooper bar the rotten shell
Using a rust free shell to replace a shell that is beyond economical repair. Does it really matter who stripped it/rebuilt it and how long it took?

im sure on a reshell, you retian certain parts from original car, ie engine interior etc, this he wont have because as original thread, minimartin will be using engine interior etc in the city shell which he has log book for,the only thing lfet is log book /vin,

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Posted 01 January 2011 - 10:43 PM

a new shell has no identity so you can put one on it

a second had shell already has a identity so you can't legally remove it and fit a different one

just my piont, well said bungle

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Posted 01 January 2011 - 10:52 PM

It's perfectly legal to rebuild with a NEW shell. The parts will still be available in a few years - taken back from the City if necessary when it rots away....... The point is - as long as the logbook remains registered with DVLA - the 'car' can be resurrected anytime just by fitting a NEW shell - getting an MOT - and a tax disc. Simples!! It's very certainly not legal to use a second-hand shell............

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Posted 01 January 2011 - 10:52 PM

Double post for some reason......

Edited by bmcecosse, 01 January 2011 - 11:44 PM.


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Posted 01 January 2011 - 11:00 PM

And -who's going to check this - or even question it ? You don't need to tell anyone about a re-shell, you just get it MOTd and then tax it! But yes - ideally - you should use EVERYTHING from the Cooper - except the old rotten shell of course. But one subby looks pretty much like any other subby........



It's perfectly legal to rebuild with a NEW shell. The parts will still be available in a few years - taken back from the City if necessary when it rots away....... The point is - as long as the logbook remains registered with DVLA - the 'car' can be resurrected anytime just by fitting a NEW shell - getting an MOT - and a tax disc. Simples!! It's very certainly not legal to use a second-hand shell............

on yuore posting at 9 pm you didnt say anew shell??????????

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Posted 01 January 2011 - 11:20 PM

a new shell has no identity so you can put one on it

a second had shell already has a identity so you can't legally remove it and fit a different one

just my piont, well said bungle

So if you replace the front panel and scuttle you are looking at a stretch inside?

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Posted 01 January 2011 - 11:48 PM

What year is this cooper logbook?

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Posted 01 January 2011 - 11:50 PM

I had certainly mentioned the NEW shell earlier - nothing else is legal -why would I discuss it? I have built 2 Minis with NEW shells - the first one (in 1973!) I walked into the local motor tax office and they just issued me with a brand new registration number - I got to take my pick from the next 6 sheets ! The later one was a rally car - and again the owner just walked in and was given a new number - no questions asked. Not so easy now!!

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Posted 02 January 2011 - 12:23 AM

in the past i have seen lots of shells for sale without any vin/v5 available.... so should it also be illegal to sell such shells for reshelling purposes because as sujested above that intended use is infact illegal?????

with all legalities being said how many people posting here break speed limits at some point and in doing so are infact breaking the law themselves.... "but sure who was there to see it" attitude comes into play lol... you may have a economicaly affordable option in mind for the second v5 but its worth holding onto i supose....

Edited by DAVEY_C, 02 January 2011 - 12:25 AM.


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Posted 02 January 2011 - 07:19 AM

in the past i have seen lots of shells for sale without any vin/v5 available.... so should it also be illegal to sell such shells for reshelling purposes because as sujested above that intended use is infact illegal?????

with all legalities being said how many people posting here break speed limits at some point and in doing so are infact breaking the law themselves.... "but sure who was there to see it" attitude comes into play lol... you may have a economicaly affordable option in mind for the second v5 but its worth holding onto i supose....


There's nothing wrong with selling a shell, nor using one, it's how you use it which determines legality...

And don't compare a Criminal offence with a driving offence, they are completely different.




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