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#16 Cooperman

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Posted 14 February 2011 - 11:26 PM

So it was indeed a tie rod (the ball joints aren't rubber by the way!). As Cooperman said, what is the tie rod mounting at the front end like? Has it been boshed?

The fact that the top arms aren't touching the bumpstops means the cones haven't completely collapsed.


Is the car on the ground here? All I can really see from those photos is that both your dampers appear to be blown (the damp appearance around the telescopic joint tends to indicate leakage which means failure).


Dan, do you agree that there may be more than one issue here? There was the tyre hitting the body on lock and the apparent low suspension one side.
A heavy knock could have bent the tie-bar 'ear' back a bit and caused the knuckle cup to split. Or, just maybe, the front sub-frame is quite bent somewhere after a heavy knock.
It needs looking at by someone with sufficient experience of Mini suspension who knows what to check and measure. I don't want to sound patronising or unkind, but if the OP doesn't know what a bump stop or tie-rod is - and there is nothing to be ashamed about in lack of experience - he is unlikely to be able to sort this easily. Who lives in Birmingham who might take a look with a tape measure.

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Posted 14 February 2011 - 11:36 PM

I'd probably agree that it needs to be looked at but if I remember correctly it's already been looked at and none of us though the diagnosis sounded right. I'd like to know where it was rubbing exactly, and if the whole problem only stems from the position of the wheel relative to the bodywork. The exact alignment of the front end panel work on any Mini is very much a movable feast, all Minis are different and if it's been repaired at any time it could be all over the place. I'd get it sitting on good flat and level ground somewhere and measure the subframe height at both sides, then measure the trim height and see if the actual floorpan is level. The wings could be out of position. Certainly nothing looks to be majorly wrong with the suspension, beyond the possibility of a collapsed cone or split knuckle which can't bee seen in the pictures. If it's only fallen a little then it could well be a split knuckle but that could only account for about 15mm of drop at the most (4-5mm of drop into the arm's cup socket multiplied by the suspension ratio), unless the steel itself has started to wear down.

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Posted 14 February 2011 - 11:48 PM

I'd probably agree that it needs to be looked at but if I remember correctly it's already been looked at and none of us though the diagnosis sounded right. I'd like to know where it was rubbing exactly, and if the whole problem only stems from the position of the wheel relative to the bodywork. The exact alignment of the front end panel work on any Mini is very much a movable feast, all Minis are different and if it's been repaired at any time it could be all over the place. I'd get it sitting on good flat and level ground somewhere and measure the subframe height at both sides, then measure the trim height and see if the actual floorpan is level. The wings could be out of position. Certainly nothing looks to be majorly wrong with the suspension, beyond the possibility of a collapsed cone or split knuckle which can't bee seen in the pictures. If it's only fallen a little then it could well be a split knuckle but that could only account for about 15mm of drop at the most (4-5mm of drop into the arm's cup socket multiplied by the suspension ratio), unless the steel itself has started to wear down.


It certainly needs a full measuring exercise by someone who really knows about Mini suspension. Not convinced that nthe person who looked at originally knew what he was looking at or looking for. Clearly the OP does not have the necessary experience and needs hands-on assistance. The question is who can we recommend?

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Posted 15 February 2011 - 07:29 AM

could it be a badly fitted wing stuck on too low could it ?

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Posted 15 February 2011 - 07:51 AM

nope it was on ramps and jacked up in the middle, it had been raining quite bad here for 2days so i think its just wet off the tyres on the dampers because theyre usually alot cleaner

im not offended, i knoiw my limits and what im good at......minis me doesnt know alot about. i asked before if anyone knew a mechanic in or around birmingham on my other thread but got no replies :)

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Posted 15 February 2011 - 08:22 AM

I doubt it's rain, that part of the damper tube that is damp is not usually exposed when the weight of the car is on it. You could be right though.

How far are you willing to go to get it looked at? I don't know anyone in Birmingham myself but Somerford isn't all that far.

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Posted 15 February 2011 - 10:29 AM

Can you check the rubber bushes on the 'tie rods' the bar you re-bent.

The bushes will be at the end pointing towards the front of the car. they shouldnt be cracked and you should have 2 per bar.

is it isnt too much to ask to get a couple of pics with the car on the ground, so we can see where it is rubbing the arch? straight on side pics and straight on front pics, with the wheels dead straight.

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Posted 15 February 2011 - 06:22 PM

somerford dorset? i dont think it would last on the motorway lol


i can take some more pics in a short while and ill upload them again

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Posted 15 February 2011 - 06:43 PM

I know a couple of decent people out that way, if you get stuck drop me a PM.

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 08:03 AM

pics will be up by the weekend. got sent out far a field working and dont have a camera with me .......it doesnt have to be a mechanic.....just a knowledgable person who doesnt mind explaining things to me haha

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 09:46 AM

Somerford Wiltshire! Who would say Dorset is 'not all that far' from Birmingham? :) It's just off the M4 not far from the M5 junction. Somerford Mini Specialists are one of the best all round companies, parts suppliers, mechanics, restorers, valuations etc. And only about half as far away from you as Dorset!

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 09:59 AM

have a trip down to old skool minis in perry barr, they'll see you right and tell you whats wrong.
they are pretty much opposite the greyhound track on the road with the council tip on it.

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Posted 20 February 2011 - 04:53 PM

i would go old skool minis but i had abit of an argument last time over his "genuine" door handles that werent genuine.....dont think he would want to see me again haha

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Posted 20 February 2011 - 05:08 PM

Since you haven't shown us pics with the car sitting squarely on the road - it's hard to tell what's wrong. The others have diagnosed well - I suggest you fit a new bump stop - and a pair of decent new front dampers (Gmax are good value) and then lets see some pics with the car squarely on the road - looking at the wheels and wings so we can see the running height, and also under the wings so we can see how much suspension travel there is left. It looks to me as though it is running very low - it probably needs new rubber suspension cones at the front - both sides.

Edited by bmcecosse, 20 February 2011 - 05:10 PM.


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Posted 20 February 2011 - 05:11 PM

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it rubs on the arch just below the front of the wheel trim (turning right) it have bent it forward and it is now curled outwards

it only rubs when i full lock left but i cant see where

thanks for your help




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