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[MiniLuke]

i have an old mini log book that states " this vehical is built from parts all or some of witch are not new"
could ring any mini with that

How much do you want for it? using witchcraft to rebuild a mini, that's new...

I think there is a "points" system to deal with too, even if a new shell was bought.

It's the use to evade RFL, and the possibility of using it to steal cars which worries me. I guess they can be used to get newer minis into the USA too, I doubt there are many Americans that would know the difference.

If someone wants to build a mini from a new shell, then they can, they don't need to buy a logbook.

People's opinions on this is interesting.

[minimib]

As long as it is the government that you hurt it's fair game? What are you some sort of bad assed anarchist? If I failed to declare some income on my tax return too is that ok? It doesn't affect anyone else, does it???

Also, I wonder what the Insurance Company's position would be if, in the event of an accident, the car was proved to be a newer car passed off as a tax exempt one? Am I right that untaxed vehicles could have their insurance voided? That might be nasty....

In for sale section

I would prefer if you didnt get personal about this please dont assume i am something because of my views not kool


also think that is a horrible thing to do that poor guy what else is he ment to sell his car as now if the v5 says its a 72 thats what it is totally unfair people commenting on it like that dissapointed

[cagy]

Ok so making your car a tax exempt to defraud the govt is ok then?? So the potholes and roadworks that aren't carried out because the govt hasn't received enough money through car tax isn't your fault either?? And you may think that oh it's only one car, but if everyone starts doing it there will eventually be quite a big problem...

IF the documents are to be used to rebuild a car with the correct shell and points system etc then it's ok but selling a tax exempt V5 on a later shell is just asking for trouble...

[MiniLuke]

As long as it is the government that you hurt it's fair game? What are you some sort of bad assed anarchist? If I failed to declare some income on my tax return too is that ok? It doesn't affect anyone else, does it???

Also, I wonder what the Insurance Company's position would be if, in the event of an accident, the car was proved to be a newer car passed off as a tax exempt one? Am I right that untaxed vehicles could have their insurance voided? That might be nasty....

In for sale section

I would prefer if you didnt get personal about this please dont assume i am something because of my views not kool


also think that is a horrible thing to do that poor guy what else is he ment to sell his car as now if the v5 says its a 72 thats what it is totally unfair people commenting on it like that dissapointed

I don't understand what you have posted. Are you ok? Not sure what the above has to do with you really, it was certainly not directed at you.

Personal? Assuming? Horrible thing? Unfair? Dissapointed? If you would like to pm me what's up, i am sure we can clear things up.

Please close this thread kind admin staff...... I think we have covered it now, thanks.

[joe90gt]

£43.8 bn collected in tax on using vehicles: £12.7 bn spent on roads and public transport the rest spent on govt atrocities like crap IT (£16bn) and nuclear "deterrents"" - no wonder people want to find a way of getting some back esp with the roads in the diabolical state they are - no i dont like this govt or the previous one

[mab01uk]

A reminder that we probably would not be having this discussion and many more Mini's and other classic cars (currently up to 1986) would by now be 'tax exempt' and potentially saved from being scrapped if the car/motorist hating Gordon Brown had not frozen the 25 year rolling historic tax exemption date in his very first budget of 1997 for Tony Blair.........sadly he said it was just a tory 'bangers charter' and had no respect for saving historic British cars or the classic car industry they support.

Also it should be noted that this is not an 'exclusive' to Mini issue as many MG Midgets, MGB,s, Triumph Spitfires, Land Rovers, Range Rovers, etc in fact any model which crosses the 1972 cut-off date in relatively unchanged form are having identities changed for similar reasons.

If you are a young Mini owner eventually have to scrap your car for whatever reason, I would certainly advise keeping 'essential parts' and the old log book 'sorned' for your own potential use. In future years you may be in a position to buy a BMH Heritage shell and build that Mini you always promised yourself! Also the rules may change - see below
PS. There is no 'scrapped' box to tick on the latest V5c as all cars are now only to be scrapped officially by a licensed car disposal operator.

Reshell Or Die – Sign Our Petition:
http://www.classicsm...n-our-petition/
DVLA to include Reshell or Die proposal as part of a major review of INF26 legislation:
Following the meeting which took place in late March between the DVLA, FBHVC and club representatives, the DVLA has confirmed that Reshell or Die (ROD) proposal is already being seriously considered by them and will form part of the INF 26 review involving the FBHVC and other club experts,
http://www.classicsm...roposal-update/

Edited by mab01uk, 31 July 2011 - 09:53 AM.

[Ethel]

If we're going off topic,

When historic vehicle tax exemption was introduced I remember a big fuss being made by Lord Mantagu and other well heeled motoring enthusiasts about how "unfair" it was whenever they ventured off their private estates in their numerous vintage cars. I don't think you can justify giving anyone free use of the roads just because their jalopy happens to be a few years older than the next person's, but you can make an argument that it's car usage, not ownership, that has a social cost in road maintenance & pollution - scrap road tax altogether and put the tax on fuel.

I can fully understand the government doing its bit to meet international environmental commitments to recycle and properly dispose of the heavy metals and other harmful substances that go into modern cars. Maybe they should have considered putting some of the cost on their purchase when new so they can offer a carrot, or at least take away the stick of a bill at the breaker's yard, when the car reaches the end of its life, usually in the hands of some cash strapped individual.
You could even turn it into an incentive to manufacturers to do their bit environmentally, e.g. if your Prius batteries have knocked up more air miles than Lady Gaga before they even hit the road you're going to have to charge your customers more than if you have a system in place to reclaim & recycle them in house.

[midridge2]

i seem to remember a few years back that the government were in discussions with car makers to put a system in place were the maker paid to buy your car back when you wanted to scrap it at a fair price, any one remember what happened to this?

[Ethel]

Dropped in fear of decreasing new car sales, I think. I suppose they had a bit of a go with scrappage, but if anything that showed up the impracticalities, the trade-ins still went through the same crushers with no impact on the manufacturers related to the cost of disposal for their products.

It's been up to Minis to lead the way again: hell, they must have recycled more hot Hondas 'n performance motorbikes than those sectors themselves, let alone Metros 'n other Minis.

[MiniSal]

It was advertised as a 1972 MK2 logbook, so those saddo's bidding on it really didn't have a clue - MK2 was produced from 1967 to 1969 ! All they wanted was tax exempton and could see no further than saving themselves the princely sum of £135 per annum on their road fund licence !!!!!