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[AndyMiniMad.]

I have a feeling that you would get into trouble for painting a car to look like a police car...Even if it was on private property...Would that be like impersonating an officer or something...

Every large (ish) town seems to have these container things for rent these days...So why not plonk it in one of those for a couple of months...Once the susspected thieves see the car is gone they will try somewhere else..

[Scallywag630]

Maybe get a van to put the shell in?

Edited by Scallywag630, 11 September 2011 - 08:23 PM.

[E.L.M.O]

Wow your so knowledgable..... Seriously what's your problem?

im giving actual facts and your telling someone to buy a car and paint it like a police car?

I give up, arguing on the internet is for morons.
Argue all you want but you being a complete tool and you should sort your very poor attitude out. It was a suggestion said with humor to start with, but I stand by it as actually a very valid viable idea.

Anyway, moving on op I hope your cars safe and nothing comes of this. It really is a sorry thing that we have to go to such lenghs to protect our own property.

Edited by E.L.M.O, 11 September 2011 - 08:22 PM.

[AVV IT]

Never call Japanese Triads, as Triads are Chinese!

Yeah I think we covered that point in an earlier post hence my point.....

japanese would be Yakuza
chinese would be triads.

in which case calling all Japanese people triads would be even more inaccurate and inflammatory then and demonstrates my point even further.... thanks for that!!

.... do try and keep up!!....... lol

Edited by AVV IT, 11 September 2011 - 08:25 PM.

[Scallywag630]

Never call Japanese Triads, as Triads are Chinese!

Yeah I think we covered that point in an earlier post hence my point.....

japanese would be Yakuza
chinese would be triads.

in which case calling all Japanese people triads would be even more inaccurate and inflammatory then and demonstrates my point even further.... thanks for that!!

.... do try and keep up!!....... lol

Sorry Dave, didn't read te entire thread so did not know it had already been pointed out.

[liirge]

This is exactly what I didnt want this thread to turn in to . Let's not debate about travellers / pikeys etc what ever you want to call them.

If you start a thread on a public forum about how you believe that your property will be stolen by someone from the travelling community and then title it "Gypsies" then I'm afraid that it is you that is responsible for fuelling such a debate. I realise that this probably wasn't your intention, but if you think that the terms "travellers", "pikeys" and "gypsies" are equal terms that should be applied to all groups of travelling people, then you are clearly quite naive.

The phrase "Gypises" although often inaccurately used as a generic term to cover a whole variety of travelling people including Irish travellers, new age travellers and boat people, is actually associated with the deeply traditional Romanichal people (of which just under 100,000 exist in the UK). They descend from the wider spread Romani people of central and eastern Europe and are believed to be termed "gypsies" because of their Egyptian ancestry. To use the term "Gypsy" to describe people who steal scrap metal is therefore deeply offensive to anybody of Romani descent. Interestingly the Romanichal people themselves use the term "didecoy" to describe travellers of other ethnic decent that masquerade as gypsies and are associated with criminal behaviour. This is why you sometimes hear of certain travelling communities with a poor reputation being referred to as "didecoy gypsies" or "dids".

The phrase "pikey" is a derogatory and offensive term most commonly used to describe Irish travellers. A community that are believed to have originally derived from the many people made homeless by Oliver Cromwells military campaign in Ireland and the great famine. It is this group of travellers that are more commonly associated with the collection of scrap metal and were traditionally known as "tinkers" due to their association with working with "tin". Even so to this particular group of travellers are generally law abiding and often run genuine and legitimate businesses in the building, and recycling industries. Sadly a criminal element and racial stereotyping tends to give their entire community a bad reputation. By contrast it is not uncommon for Irish traveller sites to permanently exclude individuals or families who engage in criminal activity from their settlement or wider community, simply because they know how damaging such criminal behaviour is to the reputation of their community and businesses. Incidentally using the phrase "pikey" to describe any member of the travelling community directly is not particularly wise, especially Irish travellers who seem to take particular offence to it as it is usually them that it is aimed towards.

In short to term those who engage in the theft of scrap metal as "Gypsies" is about as inaccurate and inflammatory as terming all Muslims as terrorists, Sicilians as members of the Mafia or Japanese people as Triads. So if you don't want to fuel a debate then just be a little more careful about the terms you use to describe groups of people in future.

You obviously haven't been on the receiving end of these 'peoples' actions....

[Andrew O]

This is exactly what I didnt want this thread to turn in to . Let's not debate about travellers / pikeys etc what ever you want to call them.

If you start a thread on a public forum about how you believe that your property will be stolen by someone from the travelling community and then title it "Gypsies" then I'm afraid that it is you that is responsible for fuelling such a debate. I realise that this probably wasn't your intention, but if you think that the terms "travellers", "pikeys" and "gypsies" are equal terms that should be applied to all groups of travelling people, then you are clearly quite naive.

The phrase "Gypises" although often inaccurately used as a generic term to cover a whole variety of travelling people including Irish travellers, new age travellers and boat people, is actually associated with the deeply traditional Romanichal people (of which just under 100,000 exist in the UK). They descend from the wider spread Romani people of central and eastern Europe and are believed to be termed "gypsies" because of their Egyptian ancestry. To use the term "Gypsy" to describe people who steal scrap metal is therefore deeply offensive to anybody of Romani descent. Interestingly the Romanichal people
themselves use the term "didecoy" to describe travellers of other ethnic decent that masquerade as gypsies and are associated with criminal behaviour. This is why you sometimes hear of certain travelling communities with a poor reputation being referred to as "didecoy gypsies" or "dids".

The phrase "pikey" is a derogatory and offensive term most commonly used to describe Irish travellers. A community that are believed to have originally derived from the many people made homeless by Oliver Cromwells military campaign in Ireland and the great famine. It is this group of travellers that are more commonly associated with the collection of scrap metal and were traditionally known as "tinkers" due to their association with working with "tin". Even so to this particular group of travellers are generally law abiding and often run genuine and legitimate businesses in the building, and recycling industries. Sadly
a criminal element and racial stereotyping tends to give their entire community a bad reputation. By contrast it is not uncommon for Irish traveller sites to permanently exclude individuals or families who engage in criminal activity from their settlement or wider community, simply because they know how damaging such criminal behaviour is to the reputation of their community and businesses. Incidentally using the phrase "pikey" to describe any member of the travelling community directly is not particularly wise, especially Irish travellers who seem to take particular offence to it as it is usually them that it is aimed towards.

In short to term those who engage in the theft of scrap metal as "Gypsies" is about as inaccurate and inflammatory as terming all Muslims as terrorists, Sicilians as members of the Mafia or Japanese people as Triads. So if you don't want to fuel a
debate then just be a little more careful about the terms you use to describe groups of people in future.

Cheers for the History lesson, But you clearly have not been on the receiving end of the pikeys actions.

[mini93]

last time i heard pikeys argue on the internet too...shuuuushhhhh

[Sam14]

Oh will you all just shut it, your boring

This is a mini forum

Not an old peoples home

Oh wait you might comment on me using "Old people home" as an example of people moaning and being boring,


This is a mini forum, they were obviously going to steal his mini and we should put our different pathetic opinions aside and try and help this fellow and if you are there wanting to defend the actions those people were about to commit then you can just jog on.

Gypisies, pikey, Travellers, nylons, pylons, weirdos, querdo's whatever the hell they maybe they were about to steal that mans mini. and you can defend them all you like, they have a bad reputations for this and for thinking no law abides to them and to anyone whom tries to dodge taxes while all of us have to pay taxes and work hard for them just to come along and STEAL our possesions, well im sorry if i cant help myself being a bit prejudice

[AVV IT]

Cheers for the History lesson, But you clearly have not been on the receiving end of the pikeys actions.

You are welcome!!

.....and to use your own words that's also "quite an assumption to make"!!.

Due to my line of work I have in fact been on the receiving end of direct threats of violence from Irish travellers on more than one occasion. But then equally I have also encountered similar unpleasant behaviour from individuals from various other backgrounds including members of the Asian communities, the white middle classes and even angry, drunken, English hating thugs from South Wales on occasions!! (Just to clarify I'm not inferring that you are one of these people, I'm just demonstrating the point that there are such people everywhere, even from around where you live too.)

So I don't tend to bare grudges based on racial stereotypes and tend to reserve them for the specific unpleasant individuals that I have had the misfortune to encounter personally instead.The point is that like most communities, travelling communities are a very mixed and diverse groups of individuals, filled with very different people with very different values and beliefs. Basing your opinions of whole communities based on isolated experiences really isn't very fair or particularly accurate. Years of working with the general public has taught me that there are "lowlifes" in all communities and that people from all walks of life can be as equally unpleasant to deal with as each other on occasions!

[MiniLuke]

Its a shame that ethnic cleansing is outlawed it should apply to pikies imo

Ok folks comments like this have no place on a family forum, please desist from making statements like this or the thread will be closed.

Actually personal opinions like this do have a place on a PUBLIC forum and i am not aware of any rules that it breaches, if what i have said breaches the forum rules then i will happily apologize but still stand by what i have said, the problem with this county is we are to PC and that's why thieving scumbags get away with so much why junkies get away with so much ...... ect ect

when i fill out a census in answer to the question, 'Do you have any dependents?

Yes:
Asylum seekers, Travellers, Smack heads, Unemployable lazy sumbags, the cast of The Jeremy Kyle Show, Northern Rock, RBS and Half of Eastern Europe.

Not what the PC brigade want to hear (when and if they want to lift there head out the sand) but true.

I am not sure about closing the thread, but I would have thought banning the member for Neo-Nazi comments would be more appropriate!!

Whats wrong with you wolfie, using a term like "ethnic cleansing" has to be the very worst thing you can put on a public form, unless you really do think in that way in which case you have bigger problems than a miniforum can address? Do you have any idea how many people on the forum you are upsetting with a comment like that?

I would suggest a public appology at the very least!

[Sam14]

Just be the bigger person and stop fueling the flame. Just stop carrying this on..

[Andrew O]

Cheers for the History lesson, But you clearly have not been on the receiving end of the pikeys actions.

You are welcome!!

.....and to use your own words that's also "quite an assumption to make"!!.

Due to my line of work I have in fact been on the receiving end of direct threats of violence from Irish travellers on more than one occasion. But then equally I have also encountered similar unpleasant behaviour from individuals from various other backgrounds
including members of the Asian communities, the white middle classes and even angry, drunken, English hating thugs from South Wales on occasions!! (Just to clarify I'm not inferring that you are one of these people, I'm just demonstrating the point that there are such people everywhere, even from around where you live too.)

So I don't tend to bare grudges based on racial stereotypes and tend to reserve them for the specific unpleasant individuals that I have had the misfortune to encounter personally instead.The point is that like most communities, travelling communities are a very mixed and diverse groups of individuals, filled with very different people with very different values and beliefs. Basing your opinions of whole communities based on isolated experiences really isn't very fair or particularly accurate. Years of working with the general public has taught me that there are "lowlifes" in all communities and that people from all walks of life can be as equally unpleasant to deal with as each other on occasions!

That's nice

[Kam]

OP - it'll be alot easier if you just edit the title to something like "Help someone tried to steal my mini shell, any ideas?" then report this topic to admin/mods so they can clean it up, I'm wasting time here reading through all the crap and just want to know what you've done if anything already as it will help others?

Unless you want to be posting a topic up in the Stolen section in the next few weeks I'd get the ball rolling now and at the very least get a car cover on it with a few very long chains around the cover and try to if you can to chain it down to something

Motion sensor alarm on the shell is a wise move, it'll cost you and its sad you have to go to these lengths but hey its upto you? do you know how many minis are going walkabouts over the last couple of months?

[E.L.M.O]

Do you have a motion sensor (PNR) light at least? Trouble is, my guess is they will prob come along during the day when they think people will be at work?

Is it a rolling shell?
You can normally rent a garage for about £8 - £10 a week or £50 a month. Try the local papers, local council etc? I know sometimes at high rise flats the residents have garages, might be worth making up some flyers asking if anyone has a garage they will rent you and dropping the letters into their mailboxes?

Pop along to the local council and ask if they have garages to rent. I did this once, trouble is there is normally a waiting list. There are normally firms that rent out garages and advertise on the gates where the garages are located, so have a look down some back roads where you would expect to find a block of garages. When I was in Kent I was looking to rent a garage and found out that there was a block of them being rented behind the houses opposite (about 20 seconds walk from my front door!)

Good luck

Let us kno what you decide

Edited by E.L.M.O, 12 September 2011 - 09:27 AM.