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[creakyjaws5533]

and he didnt wear lycra either when he did that, therefore full bike leathers is more aerodynamic than lycra

yeah but climbing up alpe d'huez in bike leathers would be quite extreme

[Tamworthbay]

and he didnt wear lycra either when he did that, therefore full bike leathers is more aerodynamic than lycra

yeah but climbing up alpe d'huez in bike leathers would be quite extreme

Guy would do it, he's well ard.

[creakyjaws5533]

yeah but he is also a nutter was hot enough in shorts and a jersey would be rather toasty no sun burn though

[surfblue63]

if you are on a narrow road you cannot overtake a single cyclists safely full stop so we ride two abreast to discourage cars from overtaking us dangerously as there isnt the space for them to do so at all

 

 

Then why do you not do what horse riders do and stop, move on to the verge and let the motorist pass safely. Do not cause others frustration as this is what causes accidents.

Edited by surfblue63, 05 March 2014 - 07:27 PM.

[creakyjaws5533]

if you are on a narrow road you cannot overtake a single cyclists safely full stop so we ride two abreast to discourage cars from overtaking us dangerously as there isnt the space for them to do so at all

 
 
Then why do you not do what horse riders do and stop, move on to the verge and let the motorist pass safely. Do not cause others frustration as this is what causes accidents.

A. a horse isnt going over 10mph cyclists go between 15-20mph on flats and bikes don't get spooked or out of control at times if scared
B. if we had to stop every time a car wanted to overtake we would get about 10 miles away from home.
C. if we were to do this would the motorists pay for the brake pads and new wheelset when they wear through?
D. if the road is very narrow and we have had cars behind for a while we will pull over but we wont stop for every one thats a ridiculous idea.

Edited by creakyjaws5533, 05 March 2014 - 07:33 PM.

[surfblue63]

 

Two abreast cycling is for when you are passing another cyclist - that would be overtaking then. Simply riding two abreast down the road is just pig-ignorant and gets you a bad name.

don't think it is pig-ignorant its drivers like you that put cyclists a risk you are pig-ignorant ones not us cycling two abreast is allowed in the highway code do some reading up first http://ukcyclelaws.b...y-code.html?m=1

 

 

 

 

 

so every corner you expect a group to single out? you obviously have no experience riding in a group as you would learn how stupid that is.
JUST SQUEEZE past that isnt safe at all therefore an overtake shouldn't be attempted as it wont again make the cyclist at risk

 
that's a law written by morons sat behind a desk which doesnt work on the road in practice do you always abide by the law when driving? I highly doubt

 

 

 

You obviously don't do what you preach. If you quote the law you must follow the law, not choose what you think suits you.

[creakyjaws5533]

The only bit in the highway 'code' not a law that I disagree with is singling out around corners which would be more dangerous than staying side be side everything else I abide by.

[surfblue63]

 

 

if you are on a narrow road you cannot overtake a single cyclists safely full stop so we ride two abreast to discourage cars from overtaking us dangerously as there isnt the space for them to do so at all

 
 
Then why do you not do what horse riders do and stop, move on to the verge and let the motorist pass safely. Do not cause others frustration as this is what causes accidents.

A. a horse isnt going over 10mph cyclists go between 15-20mph on flats and bikes don't get spooked or out of control at times if scared
B. if we had to stop every time a car wanted to overtake we would get about 10 miles away from home.
C. if we were to do this would the motorists pay for the brake pads and new wheelset when they wear through?
D. if the road is very narrow and we have had cars behind for a while we will pull over but we wont stop for every one thats a ridiculous idea.

 

 

 

A. You are still going slower than the average car so you should be courteous and let them passed

B. You do not have a god given right to do as you please on the road, if you are hindered by others then accept it.

C. Then will you pay for the brakes and clutch wear and the extra fuel that drivers use as they have to slow and accelerate for you

D. I think riding cycles on narrow roads is a ridiculous idea, as the cars can legally going in excess of 3 time your quoted cycle speed.

[surfblue63]

All I am saying by my replies is that every road user should give every other road user the courtesy that they would like to receive themselves. If you are at all arrogant in your perspective then do not think that others will give you the respect you think you deserve.

[creakyjaws5533]

When it is safe then pass us we won't stop for them as we dont have to (not to sound arrogant there) I don't think we have a god given right to do as we please but when I have riden in france the attitude towards cyclists is completely different so they obviously respect us more it would be nice to have some respect from car drivers over here.
Then legally may be able to but they safely wont be able to. So where do you suggest we ride then on duel carridgeways?

[creakyjaws5533]

I do respect other road users but when some car drivers try to ram you off the road or put your life at risk for you to see them sat at the traffic lights 100 meters down the road then I dont have respect for them. If I have a car behind on a small lane and I can see its clear I will signal them to say it is also if there is traffic coming the other way I will signal it is not safe to pass which has prevent accidents from happening

[Tamworthbay]

When it is safe then pass us we won't stop for them as we dont have to (not to sound arrogant there) I don't think we have a god given right to do as we please but when I have riden in france the attitude towards cyclists is completely different so they obviously respect us more it would be nice to have some respect from car drivers over here.
Then legally may be able to but they safely wont be able to. So where do you suggest we ride then on duel carridgeways?

From the page you linked:

Rule 66 states you should never cycle more than two abreast, and ride in single file on narrow or busy roads.

So it appears the cyclist friendly site doesn't support two abreast on narrow roads.

At the end of the day we all have to use the roads. We can f and blind at each other and drive stupidly but that will cause us all stress and end up with life being miserable, or we can try to be tolerant of each other and the world seems a better place. I always leave plenty of room for whatever road user, what benefit is there to me of not doing? I haven't ridden a push bike on the road since I learnt to ride a proper bike at 16 but don't look down on those who do. If Pushbikes are banned, what next? Classic cars because they are a bit slow? The reality is there are good and bad in every group, I have met ignorant cyclists, car drivers, bikers, horse riders, taxi drivers, bus drivers, HGV drivers and pedestrians. I have also met courteous members of all those groups as well. Live and let live.

[surfblue63]

I'm not bothered were you ride to be honest, as long as you do not put yourself in danger and my mental state at risk.  

 

There are disrespectful road users of all type be they pedestrians who run into the road when there's a crossing not 10 metres along the road, cyclists who ride two or three abreast on de-restricted roads, car drivers who do not give ample room to others they are passing, buses drivers who move off from a bus stop then indicate, lorry drivers who pull out on dual carriage way without signalling etc etc. I would say that every road user is guilty of some misdemeanour at some point, but most are pretty safe most of the time, if they weren't then we could all get jobs as paramedics.

[creakyjaws5533]

I respect that about that on narrow roads but then cycling two abreast anywhere by that rules is not allowed as narrow roads arent busy but busy roads are the wider roads so we can't really do anything....
I respect what you say and try to follow the if a car driver is especially tolerant or does something that you wouldnt normally expect in a good way we thank them we a shout or a wave. I agree if people respect others more the it is more tolerable for everyone else.

[Black.Ghost]

 

if you are on a narrow road you cannot overtake a single cyclists safely full stop so we ride two abreast to discourage cars from overtaking us dangerously as there isnt the space for them to do so at all

 

 

Then why do you not do what horse riders do and stop, move on to the verge and let the motorist pass safely. Do not cause others frustration as this is what causes accidents.

 

Horses don't have to stop; they choose to. Or rather the riders do. There is absolutely no way it is practical for every cyclist to stop every time a car wants to go past. 

 

 

 

 

if you are on a narrow road you cannot overtake a single cyclists safely full stop so we ride two abreast to discourage cars from overtaking us dangerously as there isnt the space for them to do so at all

 
 
Then why do you not do what horse riders do and stop, move on to the verge and let the motorist pass safely. Do not cause others frustration as this is what causes accidents.

A. a horse isnt going over 10mph cyclists go between 15-20mph on flats and bikes don't get spooked or out of control at times if scared
B. if we had to stop every time a car wanted to overtake we would get about 10 miles away from home.
C. if we were to do this would the motorists pay for the brake pads and new wheelset when they wear through?
D. if the road is very narrow and we have had cars behind for a while we will pull over but we wont stop for every one thats a ridiculous idea.

 

 

 

A. You are still going slower than the average car so you should be courteous and let them passed

B. You do not have a god given right to do as you please on the road, if you are hindered by others then accept it.

C. Then will you pay for the brakes and clutch wear and the extra fuel that drivers use as they have to slow and accelerate for you

D. I think riding cycles on narrow roads is a ridiculous idea, as the cars can legally going in excess of 3 time your quoted cycle speed.

 

A. Rubbish. 

B. Exactly, so cars shouldn't try to get past bikes as quickly as they can either, and wait until its safe.

C. Ridiculous comment by both parties.

D. Just because its a speed limit, its not mandatory to do that speed. Which means if you can't see the road ahead, you should be slowing to a speed you can safely or quickly stop. If you can see the hazard, i.e. the cyclist, you should be adjusting your speed. Like you say, everyone has the right to use the road.

 

Frankly, there are some absolutely ridiculous arguments being put across by car drivers in this thread. You can actually cycle quite far behind a large vehicle such as a bus or lorry and still benefit from the slip stream. Modern bikes can stop very quickly, and if you are off to one side it is extremely unlikely you will crash into the back of the bus.