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[MaxAndPaddy]

Very little, if anything post 2000 that is mass production. The main issue is the increasing use of electronics which will cause cars to scrapped for even tiny problems. A guy where I work has a Cougar (not kuga) and had to pay £200 for a scrapper just to get an ABS sensor off it. My mates other half has a peugeot convertible that has so many electrical niggles it's scary. That combined with constant updates that are not interchangeable will make the situations even worse.Compare that to the mini where the engines were very similar over forty years of production. The only cars that people will care about are the unusual and sporty ones but they will tend to suffer even more as they are more heavily loaded with elastic trickery. Cars have become disposable which further affects the chances of survival as every car goes through a banger phase. I remember a neighbour of mine when I was a kid buying an e type for £300 and my dad thought he was crackers.

 

Ford Puma's and Cougars, that brings back some memories....lets throw in the Vauxhall Tigra then...

[MIGLIACARS]

Very little, if anything post 2000 that is mass production. The main issue is the increasing use of electronics which will cause cars to scrapped for even tiny problems. A guy where I work has a Cougar (not kuga) and had to pay £200 for a scrapper just to get an ABS sensor off it. My mates other half has a peugeot convertible that has so many electrical niggles it's scary. That combined with constant updates that are not interchangeable will make the situations even worse.Compare that to the mini where the engines were very similar over forty years of production. The only cars that people will care about are the unusual and sporty ones but they will tend to suffer even more as they are more heavily loaded with elastic trickery. Cars have become disposable which further affects the chances of survival as every car goes through a banger phase. I remember a neighbour of mine when I was a kid buying an e type for £300 and my dad thought he was crackers.

agreed.    the costs to repair modern day car is expensive, which isnt to bad when there new and worth £0000s but as cars get older people dont want to spend.

a mate of mine scrapped a focus last month as it needed 2 tyres an mot and taxing bought another car with 6 months mot with tax.

 

mx5 s   s2000 were and are so good that lots will survive so there always be lots around so prices will not increase to mini cooper s prices.

 

a car that is really worth some money for a modern kinda car is the

 

honda civic ek9 typr r 

[MaxAndPaddy]

Very little, if anything post 2000 that is mass production. The main issue is the increasing use of electronics which will cause cars to scrapped for even tiny problems. A guy where I work has a Cougar (not kuga) and had to pay £200 for a scrapper just to get an ABS sensor off it. My mates other half has a peugeot convertible that has so many electrical niggles it's scary. That combined with constant updates that are not interchangeable will make the situations even worse.Compare that to the mini where the engines were very similar over forty years of production. The only cars that people will care about are the unusual and sporty ones but they will tend to suffer even more as they are more heavily loaded with elastic trickery. Cars have become disposable which further affects the chances of survival as every car goes through a banger phase. I remember a neighbour of mine when I was a kid buying an e type for £300 and my dad thought he was crackers.

 

I think that's a good point, there will be some limited run modern cars that may make it to classic status, but will any of the current modern mass production cars ever get there???? Maybe the flip side is that because they are so quickly scrapped, that actually the ones that do survive will actually become valuable.. discuss 

[MaxAndPaddy]

When I had my Pug 205 GTi 1.9 from new I always intended to keep it for ever because I believed it would be become a classic. Someone had a different idea. Six years on one evening I felt oddly apprehensive so I kept moving it every time I saw a parking space become vacant closer to my house. It didn't do any good. It disappeared that night, never to be seen again.

I think any Alfa, apart from the Mito, would be my choice of modern classic as well as a MINI Cooper S.

 

One of my regrets is not owning a Pug 205, my mate had a limited edition "Roland Garas" edition which we jointly drove out on an overnight trip to the French Alps. Drove through the night from calais into geneva and hit the Ski slopes at 10 in the morning with only tag team sleep between us...happy times. Pug never missed a beat, might have to save one some day.

[mini_mad69]

I think that Jap coupes will become classics.

 

Nissan S13, S14, S15, Any skyline, MR2s, AE86are, RX7 all holding or increasing in value.

 

Current production car would be the Toyota GT86

[minidizzy]

 

Very little, if anything post 2000 that is mass production. The main issue is the increasing use of electronics which will cause cars to scrapped for even tiny problems. A guy where I work has a Cougar (not kuga) and had to pay £200 for a scrapper just to get an ABS sensor off it. My mates other half has a peugeot convertible that has so many electrical niggles it's scary. That combined with constant updates that are not interchangeable will make the situations even worse.Compare that to the mini where the engines were very similar over forty years of production. The only cars that people will care about are the unusual and sporty ones but they will tend to suffer even more as they are more heavily loaded with elastic trickery. Cars have become disposable which further affects the chances of survival as every car goes through a banger phase. I remember a neighbour of mine when I was a kid buying an e type for £300 and my dad thought he was crackers.

 

I think that's a good point, there will be some limited run modern cars that may make it to classic status, but will any of the current modern mass production cars ever get there???? Maybe the flip side is that because they are so quickly scrapped, that actually the ones that do survive will actually become valuable.. discuss 

 

I do sometimes wonder how well modern cars will be able to survive into classic status. It will depend on how easy it will be to service or replace the electronic components as the cars become rarer. As you suggest they are likely to become rarer very much more quickly.

It worried me with my MPi because it relies on an ECU which is longer available. Now airbags are required to be functional which becomes a further problem. The ECU can be reconditioned but I did buy a used ECU set just in case the original gets destroyed. I also bought an unused airbag.

The injection Minis are great to drive but I also bought my carb Rover Cooper so I would not have to worry about these potential problems in the future.

There is still a chance that even the simpler classics will be banned because of increasing emissions rules.

[Ethel]

Obsolescence is designed in more and more. Cars aren't in production long enough before the next mark of the model is released. It may suit the marketing dep'ts & intellectual property lawyers, but it give no opportunity to the 3rd parties that are needed to support a classic once the manufacturer has moved on.

 

Doubtless they'll be clebrating when the MINI passes the original's production landmarks, but it's already had more radically different incarnations than the Min had in its 40 years.

[mab01uk]

Obsolescence is designed in more and more. Cars aren't in production long enough before the next mark of the model is released. It may suit the marketing dep'ts & intellectual property lawyers, but it give no opportunity to the 3rd parties that are needed to support a classic once the manufacturer has moved on.

 

Doubtless they'll be clebrating when the MINI passes the original's production landmarks, but it's already had more radically different incarnations than the Min had in its 40 years.

 

This is very true.......there are already some parts especially trim, for early 2001-2006 R50 and R53 MINI's that are no longer available new and are only available from breakers or reconditioned.

 

However, if Issigonis had had his way the classic Mini would have had a more normal 10 year lifespan and been replaced with a radical new design with new alloy engine and gearbox in 1969 with his 9X replacement..........instead BL took over, cancelled his 9X Mini project diverted the cash to the Morris Marina project and introduced the Mk3 Mini and Clubman as a cheaper facelift.

BMC 9X

http://www.aronline....oncepts-bmc-9x/

Edited by mab01uk, 15 November 2014 - 09:42 AM.

[Tamworthbay]

Very little, if anything post 2000 that is mass production. The main issue is the increasing use of electronics which will cause cars to scrapped for even tiny problems. A guy where I work has a Cougar (not kuga) and had to pay £200 for a scrapper just to get an ABS sensor off it. My mates other half has a peugeot convertible that has so many electrical niggles it's scary. That combined with constant updates that are not interchangeable will make the situations even worse.Compare that to the mini where the engines were very similar over forty years of production. The only cars that people will care about are the unusual and sporty ones but they will tend to suffer even more as they are more heavily loaded with elastic trickery. Cars have become disposable which further affects the chances of survival as every car goes through a banger phase. I remember a neighbour of mine when I was a kid buying an e type for £300 and my dad thought he was crackers.

 
Ford Puma's and Cougars, that brings back some memories....lets throw in the Vauxhall Tigra then...

I wasnt suggesting the Cougar as a future classic! They are awful things for fat middle age men. It was just an example of how hard it can be to get bits for relatively recent cars. If you think about it, when was the last time you saw a sierra? Or cavalier? Or mk3 escort, or mk2 Astra? Loads of cars that were everywhere have virtually disappeared.

[The Matt]

Cavalier SRI/GSI/4x4 is already rare beast and they're hard to find in condition that's worth buying.  I'd love one.

I have SO much car want right now.

Audi S2 Coupe

Audi S2 Avant

Audi RS2

 

Have some of that for future classics.  They're absolute weapons and I want them all.  The RS2 avant allegedly hit 0-30mph quicker than a Maclaren F1.  How's about that for an estate car?

[mab01uk]

Cavalier SRI/GSI/4x4 is already rare beast and they're hard to find in condition that's worth buying.  I'd love one.

 

I had a G Reg 1990 Cavalier 2000 16v GSi for 5 years in the late '90's.......I bought it off my brother who had it from new, a great car did several effortless trips to the South of France but eventually sold it on for £1000 because rust was starting to become a problem at MOT's.

[Ben_O]

Skoda Fabia VRS?

 

Vauxhall VX220?

[Ethel]

I think I've referred to the Mini as a "public domain" car before. One of a very select handful that have broken free of their manufacturers and can be sustained as long as there's a user base for them. The Beetle and the Landrover are the other 2 that spring to mind, so it seems they need to stay in production for a long time, sell in large enough numbers and evolve, rather than have major redesigns. True supercars.

[Tamworthbay]

I think we are spoilt with the mini, with a tiny number of exceptions for rare cooper bits, you can buy pretty much any part brand new off the shelf. Even brand new shells from the original press tools are available. Compare that to many makes and it gives us a false sense of what is possible. I am in the. Idle of restoring a Capri and hardly anything is available new. A few panels are available from third party suppliers but are variable to say the least. I have spent four days reconstructing a wing as good repro ones don't exist.

Go forward twenty years and what will panel availability be like for car made post 2000? Non existant will be the reality. No third party suppliers will bother as the cars change so frequently, panels are so complex and people don't keep cars when they start to rust as it's easier and cheaper to buy a new one. I think more cars have survived from the seventies than the eighties, and more from the eighties than the 90s.

If you are going to do it, I suppose the thing to do is to buy the car you want to keep then invest in a full set of panels from the OEM whilst they are still current, but who has the cash and space to do that?

[The Matt]

If you think we're spoiled, I reckon 205 GTI drivers are too, maybe more so.

 

You can literally drop a 306 GTI-6 (2.0 16v) engine into the engine bay, onto the standard gearbox (just need to tweak the slam panel, fit an automatic bonnet and a custom exhaust manifold)..  You can fit rear beams off different vehicles to increase rear stiffness, alter rear camber, get a better ARB, you can fit 309 bottom arms to give you negative camber on the front.  You can fit GTI-6 front brakes off a 306.  Or, if you are more into standard ones, you can get the 1.9 engine from all sorts of other PSA cars to replace a knackered one, or if you want to find a genuine 205 GTI one, they're only a couple of hundred quid for a second hand one.  Interiors are easy enough to find, gearboxes are cheap enough....the only thing is finding a decent, straight, rust-free shell.  Once you've got that, it's an easy car to restore or maintain.

 

I'd have a garage full of 205s if I could.