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[Timtom]

ooo Jammy you naughty person! I'm going to have to tell Raz on you.

[Jammy]

I didn't belittle anyones opinions, I just said I'm fed up with people moaning when they don't have a full story! Its easy to make huge sweeping generalisations!

I happen to agree with the point that people who are too lazy shouldn't get any sort of benefits. Putting an opinion like that into practise its almost impossible however!

You think the government actually wants to give people who are lazy money? You don't think they'd rather spend it on more worthwhile (besides wars) causes?

[Matt]

Britain has always excelled in all things

except car insurance

[Pie]

I'm fed up of people moaning when they don't know the full story. Reading the papers and watching the news doesn't mean you know the full story, or even the true story.

Well said Jammy. As i put in my post, you should look at what your taxes actually go towards. Kepping the country running, medical bills etc etc

People who can't be bothered to work should not get any benefits.

It's their own problem.

I don't midn getting help if you';ve got a family, but if you plan to have children, you should plan before that you can afford to bring them up, look after a house & whatnot.

Great, lets all kick off.

I think yull find a huge percentage of people unemployed are looking for jobs, and need benfits to keep their family together.
You cant plan for redundantcy. It just happens

I'm fed up of people moaning when they don't know the full story. Reading the papers and watching the news doesn't mean you know the full story, or even the true story.

im fed up of YOU belittleing ppls opinions.



and im pretty sure the lady said about the people who arnt willing to work, get an easy life!!
house. cash. free benefits

I work hard and barely pay my bills with pretty much no luxuries, this isnt a fair world.

Your insulted by jammys comments and opinions on a INTERNATIONAL forum? oh please. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, Including Jammy. And i think youll find without jammy, the forum wouldnt be as good a place as it is todday. And im sure there are plenty of others who would agree.
And as he has said, he hasnt "belittled" anyones opinions, just annoyed when people read what they want to read, or jump in without knowing the whole story.

[v8mini]

I don't midn getting help if you';ve got a family, but if you plan to have children, you should plan before that you can afford to bring them up, look after a house & whatnot.

you cant always plan for things, i have a wife and two kids, plus a mortgage. and later this year i will be getting made redundant after 13 years with the company i work for.

if i dont find a job by then i will be claming job seekers, i think its about £110 per week. the wifes not working as she's in her 3rd year at uni. our current mortgage payments are about £450 a month and wont be able to claim anything on my mortgage untill 6 or 9 months looking for work. so by the time i pay to keep my house i'll have nothing to live on with the job seekers. so any extra i can get i will also claim for.

hopefully i'll get a job lined up before i leave, but things could turn out bad

[Hannioli]

Why is England so Rubbish? Where the hell is my taxes going

Maybe England's so rubbish because of the amount of English people who can't use their own language properly

It is amazing how much we take this country for granted & over inflate our "sufferings". At least we have a National Health Service to take care of us when we sick or injured & a welfare system to support us when we can't work for whatever reason. I'm quite happy that I live in this fortunate part of the world.

Amen.

So much is taken for granted in England and you moan and complain about living conditions, work conditions (everything actually) and say that other countries have it better off. That isn't the case in general, like Pie pointed out in America you don't have such things as free health care and many people who cannot afford to go to hospital because they lack health insurance and money to pay for the procedures would love to be able to walk in to a hospital and have treatments for free, even if they had to wait a while.

As for saying that you work all hours, don't have any simple pleasures in your life blah blah blah because you're being taxed so heavily etc etc. The amount of people I've known and heard of who yes, do work and also complain they have no money due to tax spend so much of their remaining earnings on cars, holidays, clothes etc yeah...you have no money

I'm not saying that I like tax, but it is a way and means of keeping the country running in relative oder.

[CooperTrooper]

People who can't be bothered to work should not get any benefits.

It's their own problem.

I don't midn getting help if you';ve got a family, but if you plan to have children, you should plan before that you can afford to bring them up, look after a house & whatnot.

Great, lets all kick off.

The people you are talking about add up to just over 3% of the UK population.

[Pie]

So much is taken for granted in England and you moan and complain about living conditions, work conditions (everything actually) and say that other countries have it better off. That isn't the case in general, like Pie pointed out in America you don't have such things as free health care and many people who cannot afford to go to hospital because they lack health insurance and money to pay for the procedures would love to be able to walk in to a hospital and have treatments for free, even if they had to wait a while.

I thank you

Everyone gets taxed the same amount 17.5% of your income. For people who earn £10k a year its a lot for people who earn £60k a year its a lot. But its still 17.5% even though its a bigger sum for the £60k earner.

Maybe you should go live in Ghana for a month, or somewhere like estonia or bolivia. Then say how much you hate the way britian is.

[Jammy]

I don't think thats quite true, I'm sure there are different levels of income tax, and above a certain amount of earnings you get taxed more.

[Elisha-The-Cooper]

she was having a rant stop beings a set of and getting all technical.


geeeez!!!



p.s 17.5% is Value Added Tax (vat)

Edited by Elisha-The-Cooper, 07 February 2008 - 04:36 PM.

[Mini_Magic]

I don't think thats quite true, I'm sure there are different levels of income tax, and above a certain amount of earnings you get taxed more.

Taxable Bands Allowances 2007-08 (£)

Starting rate 10%
£0 - £2,230

Basic rate 22%
£2,231 - £34,600

Higher rate 40%
over £34,600

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/rates/it.htm

[Pie]

she was having a rant stop beings a set of and getting all technical.

If she/you didnt want us to have our opinion or say, DONT post it on an internation forum where people are welcome to voice their opinions.

Why not read the new TMF guidelines, you might realise that people are welcome to their opinions/views

[Hannioli]

I don't think thats quite true, I'm sure there are different levels of income tax, and above a certain amount of earnings you get taxed more.

Yeah, I mentioned this to Pie on msn and he knows about it! Silly boy

she was having a rant stop beings a set of and getting all technical.


geeeez!!!

If you were a new comer to tmf then I would forgive you for thinking that if you were to post a subjective comment on this site, which people disagree with and think are misinformed and rather ignorant that the post would be left either well alone or a pat on the back would be given to the author of the thread.

However, neither of you are new comers and should know full well that tmfers are full of opinions. Saying that Sheree was having a rant is voicing her opinion and others have voiced theirs in this open thread. If people do not like having other people correcting their mistaken and ill informed preconceptions, then perhaps they should not post them on this forum.

[Amy]

Yep, there are different levels of income tax depending on what you earn... (approx. 10% lower, 20% - 22% basic, 32.5-40% higher, plus other rates for different types of income)

In the last budget they 'snuck' in a lower level of income tax for mid-level earners..... without making it clear that everyone in the lowest earner category would now be taxed at the same amount! So people earning £3000 or less are now paying the same amount of tax as someone on the average wage!


As someone who has easily used up hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of resources through health care over the past 27 years, I, and my whole family, know that part of the taxes we pay are going towards something immeasurably important- the NHS....

You can't tar everyone with the same brush, and unfortunately the Government will try weeding out the bad ones with their new 'back to work' policies, but will end up stripping hundreds of deserving people of their benefits in the process.

[Hannioli]

So people earning £3000 or less are now paying the same amount of tax as someone on the average wage!

Really? I thought that if you were earning within a certain amount, there would be no tax or you could claim back any tax that had been taken. I was talking to Pie about this earlier and he said that sum is now £5220.