76 replies to this topic

[day101]

i thought all replacment pannels have to be seem welded???

[Shifty]

i thought all replacment pannels have to be seem welded???

No, not necessarily.

From the pics shown it looks like they have seam welded it.

[Jammy]

i thought all replacment pannels have to be seem welded???

If its a complete original OEM replacement panel then it can be attached using whatever method(s) they used in the factory (or better), if its a part panel (scutter repair panel, oversill, etc), then it must be seam welded.

Can't really tell what welding they've done, whether its continuous (seam welded) or not, and close up pictures of the actual welding?

[widerim_pickup]

I agreee with jammy. Close up pictures of all joins are needed.

Have you spoken to jonspeed or got another mot place to check it out?

I'm sure repair panels can be spot welded if that was the method of fixing used in the original panel, EG door step to inner sill. anything else that is cut HAS to be seam welded

Edited by 1968morriscooper, 21 July 2008 - 08:15 PM.

[mini_kev]

i thought all replacment pannels have to be seem welded???

They have to be replaced in the same way they were originally attached. If its a repair panel such as a scuttle repair then the edge that joins the remaining scuttle must be seam welded but the rest of it ie the window frame part and the exterior lip can be spot welded as this is how it was originally attached.

[998dave]

I've always had good service from Jonspeed, but then I only ever buy parts.

Jammie, can I suggest we close this topic while waiting for a response from Jonspeed? It'll save the reputation of either Jonspeed or TMF being dragged under out of hand, and also stop any relationships being damaged before they've had a chance to talk.

If further advice is needed the topic can always be reopened.

Dave

[mk3 Cooper S]

Leave it open and give JONspeed a chance to rectify the problem and leave a good feeling all round.

[minislapper]

Leave it open and give JONspeed a chance to rectify the problem and leave a good feeling all round.

This issue is between the original poster and Jonspeed. Why should the company have to come on here justify themselves?

I have never had any dealings with this company but the issue should be resolved between the poster and them, not on an open forum. By all means post up what happens and any resolution to the issue etc but this is just turning into a slating. Everyone is jumping on the bandwagon. It has already been mentioned that the MOT tester could have been at fault. We have had a mini fail an MOT because new sills were not seam welded. We didn't know any better but had it rectified and put back in for re-test.

If you ask me this has already got way out of hand. Names should never have been named in the first place before the original poster had been in touch with them directly and asking for a resolution to this problem.

I'm with Dave on this one. Close the thread and let the original poster go and do some phoning around then let everyone know what the outcome is.

[mk3 Cooper S]

Leave it open and give JONspeed a chance to rectify the problem and leave a good feeling all round.

This issue is between the original poster and Jonspeed. Why should the company have to come on here justify themselves? Because there work did not meet MOT standard
I have never had any dealings with this company but the issue should be resolved between the poster and them, not on an open forum. By all means post up what happens and any resolution to the issue etc but this is just turning into a slating. Everyone is jumping on the bandwagon. It has already been mentioned that the MOT tester could have been at fault. We have had a mini fail an MOT because new sills were not seam welded. We didn't know any better but had it rectified and put back in for re-test. When you pay a Mini specialist to complete welding work you expect it to be to MOT standards??

If you ask me this has already got way out of hand. Names should never have been named in the first place before the original poster had been in touch with them directly and asking for a resolution to this problem.That is noy the way I would have delt with it but it is in the public domain now and sweeping under the carpet or closing the topic without getting a response from the other party is a bit unfair.

I'm with Dave on this one. Close the thread and let the original poster go and do some phoning around then let everyone know what the outcome is. And leave a shadow cast over the other party, I think this would be worse??

[biggav]

Or... you could listen to the guy who started this thread... who from what i can make out still hasn't spoken to jonspeed, has had his questions answered and needs now to deal with them directly on the matter.

It's all well and good jumping on the bandwagon of sides but at the end of the day, it's between Jonspeed and their customer.
I'd be going back to jonspeed with it and saying

"your repair did not pass the MOT, can you rectify it so that it does, or call the MOT tester and verify why you feel it is a pass/ satsfactory repair."

instead we have a load of fiction and people wanting to drag a company through the mud WHO MAY NOT EVEN BE IN THE WRONG!!!!

GO BACK TO JONSPEED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jammy]

Leave it open and give JONspeed a chance to rectify the problem and leave a good feeling all round.

This issue is between the original poster and Jonspeed. Why should the company have to come on here justify themselves? Because there work did not meet MOT standard
I have never had any dealings with this company but the issue should be resolved between the poster and them, not on an open forum. By all means post up what happens and any resolution to the issue etc but this is just turning into a slating. Everyone is jumping on the bandwagon. It has already been mentioned that the MOT tester could have been at fault. We have had a mini fail an MOT because new sills were not seam welded. We didn't know any better but had it rectified and put back in for re-test. When you pay a Mini specialist to complete welding work you expect it to be to MOT standards??

If you ask me this has already got way out of hand. Names should never have been named in the first place before the original poster had been in touch with them directly and asking for a resolution to this problem.That is noy the way I would have delt with it but it is in the public domain now and sweeping under the carpet or closing the topic without getting a response from the other party is a bit unfair.

I'm with Dave on this one. Close the thread and let the original poster go and do some phoning around then let everyone know what the outcome is. And leave a shadow cast over the other party, I think this would be worse??

Arrrgh. Why can't you understand that there is a possibility that the MOT tester might be at fault here??

Anyway, I'm inclined to leave this open at the moment. I don't think many/any body has jumped on the 'lets take Jonspeed down', and the overall consensus in the topic so far has been that Jonspeed's work could welll be fine, especially after looking at those pictures. So, until this descends into petty arguing, I'll leave it open, just in case someone wants to get Jonspeeds side of the story (and therefore give a more balanced view for future readers), and/or if CJ wants to update the topic with news of calls to Jonspeed/MOT garage, or better pictures, on which we can base some better advice.

[mk3 Cooper S]

That's what we are all waiting for in Jonspeeds side!!

Will the starter please contact them and feed back the information too us!!!

MOT tester at fault - yes a possibility but has anyone on here ever had a successfull appeal - I am really interested in this.

[onefastmoke]

As Biggav said everyone is getting carried away The question he is asking now is how should he approach jonspeed to resolve the matter. I would say get the car back to jonspeed and take your fail sheet with you. don't go in all guns blazing just explain what the mot tester has said and ask them to have another look at the car. just make sure its done in a calm civilised manner or else you won't win without going through trading standards etc.

Edited by onefastmoke, 22 July 2008 - 08:46 PM.

[garrett3]

I just feel that if a company is to be slated then there must be hard evidence. . Failed an MOT ~!! IS THE TESTER AT FAULT?
I could start a post stating that mbm sold me a cut and shut of a mini and reliant robin, some may even believe it and join in the rant but without pictures and expert backing its just heresay.

The car should be inspected correctly before postingFailed an MOT ~!! IS THE TESTER AT FAULT?


The owner should contact the garage in question to see what they have to say before posting Contact the garage yes but everyone has the right to freedom of speach AT WHO'S COST?


The garage should be given time to put the repairs right before posting.

The owner should get expert second opinions before posting Failed an MOT ~!! IS THE TESTER AT FAULT?


Yes I have had dealings with Johnspeed, they always seem very very busy and although I have seen a couple of complaints i will say that the happy customers far far outweigh the unhappy.What eveidence do you have to make this assumption or are you just talking hearsay?? I NEVER TALK HERESAY, THATS MY WHOLE POINT OF THIS RESPONSE. I HAVE FIRST HAND INFORMATION.
What is often the case with MOT quality repairs (not restoration quality) is that the panels (lets take the floor pans) are tacked into place from the under side and then fully welded on the inside. This is fairly normal practice.. Failed an MOT ~!! IS THE TESTER AT FAULT?


The owner did say thety were fine from the inside.

Did the inspector just look at the underside? how good is the inspector? An issue for VOSA not the owner THEN THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN LOOKED INTO BEFORE POSTING


I just feel the whole thing needs more backing before slating a company.
We can all slate someone but without a shred of evidence its just not right really is it?. Failed an MOT ~!! IS THE TESTER AT FAULT?

I dont understand why you have tried to pull apart my response? Its fairly standard response to this type of problem.

The overall point I have tried to make is that the tester could be at fault (does happen) and that time should have been given to JS to rectify any problems before claiming they have ripped him off.

[daz7505]

i was the manager of a car audio shop in burnley till i changed jobs, at the time we was sponsering a modified car forum. and got a lot of work thru it. one customer who came in during the very busy xmas period when most suppliers were closed needed work doing to his car. we bent over backwards to sort him out. just before coming into ushe had just bought some new black alloys, and had the rims painted to match his car. the fitter who did his car, drove the car out of the workshop, and parked the car up. about a foot away from the kerb. customer turns up, sees our work, very happy and pays, off he goes. an hour later the owner of the forum phones me and explains we have been slagged off by this same customer on the forum.

he blamed us for kerbing his new rims.

we checked the kerbs out side for BRIGHT YELLOW paint. none found. to this day i am absolutley possitive we did not damage his wheel.
as it happens, we did wheel refurbs, and would of gladly repaired his wheel foc to keep him happy.

however because of the public slagging off without speaking to us, we politely told him where to go.

there is always 2 sides to every story, and the guy with the 'dodgy' welding really needs to speak to jonspeed, let them inspect the work, AND get it re-mot'd by vosa. as a few people are saying, it may be the mot tester being a bit over eager as some are.

BUT SPEAK TO JONSPEED FIRST

Edited by daz7505, 22 July 2008 - 09:24 PM.