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[adam_93rio]

this has really wandered so far from the topic i orignally posted, i read up there someone acusing someone else of being a racist??
i havent seen any racism at all so if someone would like to elaborate on that briefly for me that would be great

i posted this up to emphasize on those who damage the new mini, (or any car). and to show that i would not be happy having them show up at a show. this is not an open thread to talk about who is more british.
the only thing to argue for or against in this thread should be that these people should or should not damage new minis.

there are plenty of threads on here about who is for or against bmw minis so please direct your criticisms there


the guy on the other forum is well out of order talking like that, especially when we are here on a neighboring site defending their pride and joys.
well what should of been a defense but has now started slowly turning into a debate

please get this back on topic guys, i dont want to have to get mods to close it when nothing has been done about the thieving vandals that i started it about

i also dont want to be the starter of 'another debate thread'

[taffy1967]

you know what im bored of this i don't like BINIs but no one on here can agrue that they are very well made good quality cars and they have bought a lot off attention back to the classic mini scene the only problem is that people (myself included) don't like the fact that bmw make them but thats not the owners or bmws fault as if British leyand and rover had bothered to properly develope the car then maybe it would of stayed british it could be worse the name could of died with the british motor trade at least this way some of the british jobs were kept.

Developing the Mini had nothing to do with the downfall of British Leyland, Austin Rover or Rover etc etc. They had far more models to worry about than the humble Mini.

The Mini wasn't their bread and butter, it was just a good little earner that provided them with lots of good will in the foreign countries they exported their range of cars to.

Right I'm fed up now, because some people are just making stuff up or have had funny dreams lately.

and all of them where using out dated tech bl went wrong as they treated there staff like crap and made every car down to the lowest cost they could thats why my 89 mini had nearly as much rust and problems than my 64 that stood in a field for 15years

Strange because my 1990 Mini which I've owned for over 16 years and which has almost gone around the clock is still going strong. Okay it needed some plastic surgery when it was around 12 years of age, but it's still looking good today.

Yes it's a relic and an antique, but if you like them (like I do and have done since I can remember even though I'm 42 years of age) then no fancy hatchback is going to be good enough. Sorry.

[less is more]

Its a car at the end of the day, it's the people that own them that matter the cars are simply something to talk about and play with

well yeah, il flash a MINI if it flashes at me, i was with a mate in his Moke on the way back from himley a few years back, and a MINI flashed us, we looked at each other and went, "proper mini man" as we knew if they were just a MINI fan, they wouldnt have a clue what a Moke was! but when MINI owners just call our Minis scrap, its quite idiotic really, as they wouldnt have their passion if it wasnt for ours! and comments like that just fuel the disagreements on the matter! and unfortunatly as has been seen in this thread, all the owners get judged on the minority!

I will always flash a Mini (1959 - 2000) but have yet to have it returned, when I'm in the so called "Bini"
It seems some people are thinking the remarks made on totalMINI were aimed at the classic mini itself the word "scrap" I mean, well they are not, it was towards the parts guy selling the classic bits which to fair 30% was scrap, we all know there are rare bits in boxs but some of that was tat, I think you'll find the majority on totalMINI are in favour of the classic and quite a few members own them as well as their MINI's, infact Mikey the trader who was robbed of bits is a classic fan and has owned quite a few, not sure if he still does, but is involved in the classic and new mini scene, and your wrong about all the owners being judged by the minority, we know it's the minority, but it's always the minority that spoil what is a great scene overal and one I have been involved with for 24 years

ps
as for your petition on the BMW scrappage, I think you'll find nearly all us new mini owners are against it also, it's the classic owner to blame who takes it into BMW for trade, unfortunatly once it has been traded in for scrappage thats it for the poor classic, and it's not only BMW taking the poor mini to the scrap heap in the sky


Andy

[CobraV8]

Our family has a classic Mini and a BMW Mini, and we love them both. They are great for different reasons. My old Cooper has loads of character, fun to drive and we all enjoy it. I would never contemplate using the car for really long drives tho. The BMW Mini is fun to drive, great power with its supercharger, comfortable on a long trip, handles well and we have had some fun drives with the two of them together.

Should BMW have made the Mini as it was - no...it would have gone bust. Most people want new cars that are quiet, strong, capable of passing crash tests etc. It was time to be modernized, and I personally think that the designers (whoever they were) did a great job. BMW have made a Mini that in modern times will sell in large numbers as opposed to a niche for a new car that was designed 5o years ago.

I live in New Zealand, so am a little removed from the job loss feelings for you guys, but the facts as I see it - if BMW had not purchased Mini - you would have no Minis being made at all, it has kept some of the jobs going, and kept an iconic brand and at least the modern version of Mini alive.

I can understand classic owners not liking a modern car - dont buy one, but stop putting others down and harping on about them, that is the one thing i do not like about this forum.

Yes well I'm told a Rolls Royce has a very nice comfortable ride and is also very quiet. But that's not a proper Mini either.

I agree the original couldn't last forever, but putting a Mini badge on a mid sized hatchback is taking the *yellow human water*. Plus I'm sure BMW could have called it the BMW 1 series or whatever and it would have sold the same.

When we bought our BMW Mini I was surprised at how harsh the suspension was, quite firm compared to the other cars I have been driving for the last 15 years or so, I had forgotten how much you feel the bumps and lumps in the old Mini until I got this one last year, and it is certainly a rougher ride than the BMW Mini. I think any Rolls Royce owner would run away in disgust from either a BMW or Classic Mini after riding in one.

1 Series - yes that is true they could have, I personally bought the BMW mini because it has character, maintained some of that from the original. Had it been a BMW1 and didnt have the old styled grill, lights, central dash etc - probably wouldn't have purchased it, the wife wanted a Toyota Rav 4WD! So... I for one applaud BMW, great car. I am also really pleased that you can get all the bits for the old Mini, and keep them running for years to come.

[sir Jake the brit]

Yes well I'm told a Rolls Royce has a very nice comfortable ride and is also very quiet. But that's not a proper Mini either.

I agree the original couldn't last forever, but putting a Mini badge on a mid sized hatchback is taking the *yellow human water*. Plus I'm sure BMW could have called it the BMW 1 series or whatever and it would have sold the same.

HAHAHAAA lol! your having a laugh, aren't you..... do you not think the new mini looks like the old one?? and if not, do you belive it looks like a BMW??
should've gone to speck savers!!

they were sold as taxis, but an unexpected law was passed which meant that taxis had to have 4 doors, which overnight killed it off! as has been said, one mans scrap is another mans gold, you might think there rubbish, but another man may love them! there are loads of VW and Mini fans on here, Bungle for example! im sure he wouldnt agree with your comments! its a harsh thing to say, if a VW fan said that about your mini, you wouldnt be happy! so why say it about their car? everyone has a car they are passionate about, Taffys is clealy the Mini, the same as me, others may be Beatles for w/e reason! and for some people the BINI, just got to accept it, but we have to see everyones point of views at the same time!

haha cool, i never knew about the taxi thing lol!!
and to be honest, all cars made befor the 90's are *poo poo* UNLESS!! someone has spent time and money on keeping it up running and alive!
beetles at shows are epic same as the minis.

FOR instance my dad has a series 3 V12 E-type, classy some may think. i love it, but as a performance car it's shocking the breaks are crap it handles like a bar of soap being slid across the sink, it does 13mpg on long runs on the motorway and i couldn't outrun a youth in a 1.4 quicksilver 106!! AS it's not had the money spent on it to keep it correctly tuned, so it's flat!!

but, if they were left we wouldn't have any of them left as the build quality is *poo poo* my 2001 mpi was rotten as hell and looked shocking on the front by 2003 (it had done about 20K miles and lived in a dry proper brick garage!!) with the work i've had done (new front end etc!) the work done (by rover!) to fit 13'' wheels involves snipping and folding over the arce with a hammer!! there crap!!
that problem isn't the case with the new one's as time has moved on and things are made to better standard now.

[sir Jake the brit]

this has really wandered so far from the topic i orignally posted, i read up there someone acusing someone else of being a racist??
i havent seen any racism at all so if someone would like to elaborate on that briefly for me that would be great

i posted this up to emphasize on those who damage the new mini, (or any car). and to show that i would not be happy having them show up at a show. this is not an open thread to talk about who is more british.
the only thing to argue for or against in this thread should be that these people should or should not damage new minis.

there are plenty of threads on here about who is for or against bmw minis so please direct your criticisms there


the guy on the other forum is well out of order talking like that, especially when we are here on a neighboring site defending their pride and joys.
well what should of been a defense but has now started slowly turning into a debate

please get this back on topic guys, i dont want to have to get mods to close it when nothing has been done about the thieving vandals that i started it about

i also dont want to be the starter of 'another debate thread'

the top bit was me, to which i have said i maybe should've wrote it differently!! i may have missed but did you post any links to photos of whats happened??

[1293sleeper]

you know what im bored of this i don't like BINIs but no one on here can agrue that they are very well made good quality cars and they have bought a lot off attention back to the classic mini scene the only problem is that people (myself included) don't like the fact that bmw make them but thats not the owners or bmws fault as if British leyand and rover had bothered to properly develope the car then maybe it would of stayed british it could be worse the name could of died with the british motor trade at least this way some of the british jobs were kept.

Developing the Mini had nothing to do with the downfall of British Leyland, Austin Rover or Rover etc etc. They had far more models to worry about than the humble Mini.

The Mini wasn't their bread and butter, it was just a good little earner that provided them with lots of good will in the foreign countries they exported their range of cars to.

Right I'm fed up now, because some people are just making stuff up or have had funny dreams lately.

and all of them where using out dated tech bl went wrong as they treated there staff like crap and made every car down to the lowest cost they could thats why my 89 mini had nearly as much rust and problems than my 64 that stood in a field for 15years

Strange because my 1990 Mini which I've owned for over 16 years and which has almost gone around the clock is still going strong. Okay it needed some plastic surgery when it was around 12 years of age, but it's still looking good today.

Yes it's a relic and an antique, but if you like them (like I do and have done since I can remember even though I'm 42 years of age) then no fancy hatchback is going to be good enough. Sorry.

Don't get wrong i don't want a bini im just saying that bl and rover caused the death of the brithish mini by the constant stikes & cutting costs on them on all there productions cars which lead to them be unreliable and poorly made compaired to other cars on the market at the time the classic mini that we all know and love couldn't of carryed on with out be devloped and by then rover didn't have the money to do it.

[CobraV8]

[BoboGib]

i posted a comment on these peoples wall as they had remarks about slashing bmw minis tyres etc

just got a comment back saying

''this is a group dedicated to the great british mini we want to spit on the bmw version''

i still cant believe theres people out there like that. if anyone points out the thread for the bmw mini that was smashed up by classic owners im happy to merge them to save space, this one can be closed then

Can we all get back on topic now please

[sir Jake the brit]

WOW!! looks ace, both of em! i was gonna get my cooper S in that blua but went for the gray in the end, the supercharger whine is awesome isnt it. that orange thang is cool as hell tho!! i don't know which i'd own!! lol! probs the proper mini but only by a wisker! lol!

[taffy1967]

HAHAHAAA lol! your having a laugh, aren't you..... do you not think the new mini looks like the old one?? and if not, do you belive it looks like a BMW??
should've gone to speck savers!!

Not much no, but then I am 42 years old and I have cataracts forming now. Either way if others like it and are happy to see it as a replacement then fine. But it's just not Mini to me. No it's more Metro.

haha cool, i never knew about the taxi thing lol!!
and to be honest, all cars made befor the 90's are *poo poo* UNLESS!! someone has spent time and money on keeping it up running and alive!

Well there you go and you're just as opinionated as me then.

but, if they were left we wouldn't have any of them left as the build quality is *poo poo* my 2001 mpi was rotten as hell and looked shocking on the front by 2003 (it had done about 20K miles and lived in a dry proper brick garage!!) with the work i've had done (new front end etc!) the work done (by rover!) to fit 13'' wheels involves snipping and folding over the arce with a hammer!! there crap!!
that problem isn't the case with the new one's as time has moved on and things are made to better standard now.

But which company developed the MPi Mini and it's build quality and quality control? Any guesses?

[sir Jake the brit]

No, Ford thought so but then Ford didn't have the Longbridge production line. Okay profits were very slim to say the least at first. But if it was such a loss maker, Donald Stokes (BL's 1st company director and the Mini Cooper axeman) would have killed it for sure during the late 1960's.

It was facing the axe in 1987, but the new boss (Graham Day) vetoed that and raised it's profile instead. As the tooling was all paid for by then, he said it was a good little earner and said they should have introduced it in Japan decades ago, because the Japanese went nuts for them.
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interresting, though you have to agree people can say anything in the public eye! but i always thought it never made any sense (even through the management of a british company!) that they would drag a loss of profit on for so many years! lol!

[CobraV8]

Thanks mate - yep they are both great in their own ways. I would love one of the superchargers on the orange car!

[adam_93rio]

the racism part was taken back while i was typing, dont mean to pounce on anyone but i hate these debates, they never get anywhere

there was a topic on here a bit back who had his car kicked in at the front, the guys then ran off into a classic mini and drove off
during this topic someone found this group on facebook where someone who supposedly runs a classic mini club is on there saying he slashes bmw mini tyres and stealing their alloys to sell on

the topic was originally about wether or not these guys should be allowed into shows as a club or however, if they are open about damaging bmw minis, after all bmw minis go to shows and i wouldnt be happy to be part of the classic mini community at a show where a bmw mini got trashed.

if they can damage a bmw mini for being different in the streets, whats to stop them doing it at a show?
or even more so, if they do this to a new mini for being different then why wouldnt they do it to someone who has say a bodykit on their classic mini because it wasnt to their taste

[taffy1967]

that problem isn't the case with the new one's as time has moved on and things are made to better standard now.

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