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[Cooperman]

Thanks for those links, they are great. Nini Simone's version of 'Here Comes the Sun' is truly beautifully done in her own style.
Sinatra also did a great version of 'Something'.
My own personal Lennon-McCartney track is 'In My Life' which was never a top hit, but says so much. That has also been recorded by many others.

[Cooperman]

From Wikipedia:

The Beatles are the best-selling band in history, with sales of over one billion units estimated by EMI Records.^[2] They have had more number-one albums on the British charts and sold more singles in the UK than any other act. According to the RIAA, as of 2012 they have sold 177 million units in the US, more than any other artist, and in 2008 they topped Billboard magazine's list of the all-time most successful Hot 100 artists. As of 2012, they hold the record for most number-one hits on the Hot 100 chart with 20. They have received 7 Grammy Awards from the American National Academy of Recording Arts and Sciences, an Academy Award for Best Original Song Score and 15 Ivor Novello Awards from the British Academy of Songwriters, Composers and Authors. They were collectively included in Time magazine's compilation of the 20th century's 100 most influential people.

Maybe that's what all the fuss is about!

I wish I had just 10% of the small amout of talent some claim they have.

Edited by Cooperman, 20 July 2012 - 12:01 PM.

[JustSteve]

Talent is something that you cannot have an opinion on. It is a sign of skill, not your preference.

I understand what your saying. However I can have an opinion wether the Beatles had talent or not. Unless somebody defines who does and does not have talent and proves it as fact then it will always be an opinion of the listener.

Are you still at it, god give the dog a bone, half the groups today, cant sing, they cant dance and in a few years will be gone, on hit wonders

Firefox, please stop this.

Everything you're saying is YOUR opinion, but who is telling you that your opinion means nothing, and that you're wrong?!- nobody is.

Personally I like 90's music and not that keen on the beetles. I think they have talent, but they just aren't my kind of thing...

You must be making minielliot feel like utter s**t, and he doesn't deserve it.

Yes its only my opinion and millions of others
hang on a minute while i wipe the tear from my eye

And minielliot also shares the same opinion as millions of others.. What's your point?

If you're trying to wind people up, why? This forum doesn't need people like you.

[minimarco]

Thanks for those links, they are great. Nini Simone's version of 'Here Comes the Sun' is truly beautifully done in her own style.
Sinatra also did a great version of 'Something'.
My own personal Lennon-McCartney track is 'In My Life' which was never a top hit, but says so much. That has also been recorded by many others.

Yes. That's a great song. I don't know if I have a favorite but that one is up there. They sang about love and they really meant it. I think that could be their fuss.

Another one of my favorite would be Tomorrow Never Knows. I remember the first time listening to that song as a kid. It just blew everything out of the water. I didn't know sound could sound like that. You can see almost see it!

It must be even more astonishing for you, listening to it in 1966.

Edited by minimarco, 20 July 2012 - 12:12 PM.

[firefox]

Talent is something that you cannot have an opinion on. It is a sign of skill, not your preference.

I understand what your saying. However I can have an opinion wether the Beatles had talent or not. Unless somebody defines who does and does not have talent and proves it as fact then it will always be an opinion of the listener.

Are you still at it, god give the dog a bone, half the groups today, cant sing, they cant dance and in a few years will be gone, on hit wonders

Firefox, please stop this.

Everything you're saying is YOUR opinion, but who is telling you that your opinion means nothing, and that you're wrong?!- nobody is.

Personally I like 90's music and not that keen on the beetles. I think they have talent, but they just aren't my kind of thing...

You must be making minielliot feel like utter s**t, and he doesn't deserve it.

Yes its only my opinion and millions of others
hang on a minute while i wipe the tear from my eye

And minielliot also shares the same opinion as millions of others.. What's your point?

If you're trying to wind people up, why? This forum doesn't need people like you.

OHHHHH dosen't it now well that is me told off, yes some of it was a wind up to make it a bit more interesting
but if you are going to rubbish a group off, are you not leaving yourself wide open, and i dont think i mentioned my opinion

Edited by firefox, 20 July 2012 - 03:49 PM.

[Ryang556]

Whenever I hear people say the beatles are talentless and overrated all I hear is auto tuned top 40 fanatic who is too shallow minded to accept any other genre of music, you disgust me

[MiniElliott]

I think its time to clear things up.
I appologise if any of my opinions have caused offence. They where deffinaley exaggerated of what I actually believe for the purpose of the argument that started. Not that I was trying to cause an argument or cause offence.

However it was a good debate.

Nobodys opinions should be discounted as there all individual.

And for the record im not into modern music and autotune. I love Bruce Springsteen, Bon Jovi, Journey, Johny Cash, Dolly Parton .ect

[Shifty]

I've just realized that I don't own a single Beatles song or album. I do have to agree that they just pass over me and don't do much for me either.

It's not even that I don't like music from the sixties either. One of my all time favourite bands is 'the velvet underground'.

On a separate note, let's try and discuss this nicely, people do seem to be getting a bit worked up. It's quite an interesting thread and let's not ruin it by squabbling.

[Joseph-C]

It's good to see people so enthusiastic about the Beatles, most of us weren't alive when they were around; John Lennon had been dead 12 years before I was born.

I just want to say in relation to MiniElliot's point that they have no talent.

I agree with "Jet Black Jamie",you cannot really have an opinion on talent, it is being good at what you do. You play guitar - have a look at Yesterday, Blackbird, I want you (she's so heavy), Something, Revolution etc.. There are loads of great guitar parts you can't deny that the ticket to ride riff is brilliant.

The harmony at the beginning of Nowhere Man proves they can sing.

I've already mentioned Ringo.

I really don't care that people don't like them, it's one of those things, but saying they've got no talent is misguided.

I my favourite Beatles song is definitely "Don't let me down". Lennon at his best:

Edited by Joseph-C, 20 July 2012 - 01:37 PM.

[firefox]

This is my like of lennon

Edited by firefox, 20 July 2012 - 03:36 PM.

[leaky]

Funny enough I was having this same conversation with my GF's mum just the other day. I'm a huge Beatles fan but she really didn't know what the fuss was about. In fact just old music in general is better!

[CMXCVIII]

. They were not just a 'pop-group', in the way that the Monkees or the Beach Boys were, they were writers and composers, they were basic innovators, they led a modern music revolution. Others just followed.

I would contend you've chosen two wrong rivals there! Was it deliberate?

Of course The Monkees were a manufactured pop group. They were carefully manufactures to compete with the Beatles' marketing success but they did contain [even though they didn't use] a talented songwriter called Mike Nesmith.

His later stuff with The First National Band has given me more enjoyment than anything the Beatles recorded

The Beach Boys?!? Come orf it! Brian Wilson's work - on, say, Pet Sounds - knocks all of Lennon and McCartney's songwriting into a cocked hat and innovated the production and the engineering and knocked all of Sir George Martin's studio engineering into the same cocked hat! And he could sing harmonies!

Whenever I hear people say the beatles are talentless and overrated all I hear is auto tuned top 40 fanatic who is too shallow minded to accept any other genre of music, you disgust me

If it helps, I couldn't tell you what has been in the top 40 for about the last 40 years, but if you re-tune your disgust to listening to other contemporary music from the Beatles' era you might find they weren't the most original nor the best, in spite of what their marketeers and PR people might tell you!

[MaxAndPaddy]

Sit back light up a joint and chill......then you'l all appreciate them

[MaxAndPaddy]

Ps.

Before the sarky comments start I wasn't born till the late 60's

[firefox]

Sorry if I offended anyone but that's my opinion. And the only thing Ringo's playing hads was bad timing

read this bud and dont take it the wrong way this is educational you never know we may turn you into liking them ha ha ha

Although Ringo reportedly admits his musical knowledge beyond percussion is limited, he composed some songs on piano, including "Don't Pass Me By" (he plays electric piano on this recording) and "Octopus's Garden". Ringo claimed to have contributed the famous line "Father McKenzie, wiping the dirt from his hands as he walks from the grave" to "Eleanor Rigby", which was ostensibly written by McCartney. A line confirmed as his is, "Look at him working, darning his socks in the night when there's nobody there." Ringo was also responsible for a number of song titles, inspired by his malapropisms of homespun Liverpudlian sayings. Some notables include "A Hard Day's Night", "Eight Days a Week" and "Tomorrow Never Knows". Critical appreciation of his steady, supportive drumming has increased through the decades. He is said to have recorded the drums on many Beatles' recordings in a single take.


Given his widely acknowledged expertise and inventiveness as a songwriter, John was less proficient playing rhythmic instruments such as drums or bass. For example, during the song "Another Girl" in the movie Help! he appears to play the drums uneasily and out of rhythm (the Beatles all switch their instruments during this clip). John played piano on "I Am The Walrus" and bass on "Back in the USSR", "Let It Be" and "The Long and Winding Road" in which, if one listens closely, a few technical mistakes can be heard (these were fixed decades later on McCartney's stripped down, "un-Spectored" version Let it Be... Naked). The other Beatles admitted to teasing John about his timekeeping. When the remaining Beatles reunited in the mid 90s to record some of John's unreleased demo tracks, producer Jeff Lynne used studio technology to compensate for John's flexible sense of tempo (ironically, since his wonted instrumental role in the Beatles is usually characterized as rhythm guitar).