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#76 Nick Warwick

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Posted 05 October 2013 - 10:01 AM

Wow impressive build thus far it seems! And loving the timing settings, dot to dot or what! :P I bet you're glad you decided to strip it back and start again now!

Yep its the first thing I looked for after getting the cover off and surprise surprise another problem.

 

There are problems with your crank, although it is always hard to tell from photos. Your photos are better than most that we see here, but even so, there is no substitute for seeing the real thing.

 

If I am interpreting the photos correctly, there is galling on the surface on which the primary gear runs, some corrosion around the edges of some bearings, the pulley has been loose at some time, and marks which may suggest that the bearing shells have been too tight (typically caused by mixing up the caps).

 

It is possible that the crankshaft bearing journals will polish up ok, but I would not guarantee it. I don't see how the primary gear bush is going to have anything but a very short life.

 

It makes me sick every time that I see someone being ripped off in this way. The legal situation is complex if you bought it privately from someone who boughgt it from a professional reconditioner, because you don't have much easily enforceable legal protection in private transactions. However, if the person who sold the engine to you wants to cooperate to protect his reputation, which would be sensible, I would suggest that a joint approach to the original supplier demanding a refund would be appropriate, then you could mention naming and shaming on this forum (if they have any sense * at all, they will see that the cost of lost business will far exceed your refund), and if they don't then give a full refund, then a joint approach to Trading Standards. There is nothing to loose by trying. I understand your reluctance to possibly blame a possibly innocent party here on the forum, and that is very commendable, but when circumstances permit I hope that you will be able to name and shame, to help protect everyone from rogue traders.

 

* You don't need to be a super-genius to be able to assemble an A series engine correctly, so maybe they don't have any business sense either?

I will get some better photos on with my camera rather than my IPhone.

 

It wasn't a business that built the engine just a guy on here that built it and sold it on. If I have no way of getting my money back off the actual guy who built this engine I will just name him in the hope he doesn't do with to another person.

What ways could I get my money back if any? or is this not possible with the guy not being a business?



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Posted 05 October 2013 - 10:24 AM

 

Wow impressive build thus far it seems! And loving the timing settings, dot to dot or what! :P I bet you're glad you decided to strip it back and start again now!

Yep its the first thing I looked for after getting the cover off and surprise surprise another problem.

 

 

 

 

I don't see what is wrong with the timing. Surely once you've rotated the crank 360deg the dots would line up because of the 2:1 gearing?



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Posted 05 October 2013 - 10:29 AM

 

 

Wow impressive build thus far it seems! And loving the timing settings, dot to dot or what! :P I bet you're glad you decided to strip it back and start again now!

Yep its the first thing I looked for after getting the cover off and surprise surprise another problem.

 

 

 

 

I don't see what is wrong with the timing. Surely once you've rotated the crank 360deg the dots would line up because of the 2:1 gearing?

 

I am not sure to be honest but I left piston no1 at TDC during that photo



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Posted 05 October 2013 - 10:31 AM

You could try the Small Claims Court, or the threat of it, or if he is selling engines, and making a profit, then has he declared it to the Inland Revenue? Threatening to report him might do the trick. But it will need to involve the middleman, who was the person who the duff engine was sold to.

 

It is good practice to never rely on legal advice given on internet forums. For correct advice, you really need to speak to your own lawyer, as every case is different, but obviously you will not want to do that because of the probable cost. But a chat with Citizens Advice would do no harm.



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Posted 08 October 2013 - 05:51 PM

Cranks fine guys, machine shop said a quick polish will do :thumbsup:



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Posted 21 October 2013 - 11:15 AM

Another problem?

 

Started cleaning the clutch case up and noticed the needle bearing was falling out like it was very lose, gave the cover a quick tap on some wood and it just fell out. Behind the bearing i found this mess! what the hells been going on, made a right balls of it. New case now?

 

 

81DDD05E-82B8-4268-8269-AD03233DEE9F-189

 

AF6F9BD2-6F50-4D02-9D4F-19048AC6A427-189

 

 

 

 

 

 



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Posted 21 October 2013 - 12:29 PM

  The damage to the base of the recess looks like someone's ham fisted attempt to remove an old bearing in the past, but I'd say it has also spun in there a little.



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Posted 21 October 2013 - 12:44 PM

Looks like they got it out with a fork!

 

If the needle bearing came out that easy do you think i will need a new case now? you can also see on the other side of the case they have punched behind the bearing 



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Posted 21 October 2013 - 01:08 PM

Looks like they got it out with a fork!

 

If the needle bearing came out that easy do you think i will need a new case now? you can also see on the other side of the case they have punched behind the bearing 

nick ive got some cases



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Posted 21 October 2013 - 01:10 PM

You can get the case machined slightly larger and have a sleeve machined up and pressed in to save the casing. However, it might be cheaper to get another casing.

What a dreadful bodge job - I think we all feel sorry for you.

Let us know how we can help with any further advice or assistance. That's what we are here for.



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Posted 21 October 2013 - 02:05 PM

 

Looks like they got it out with a fork!

 

If the needle bearing came out that easy do you think i will need a new case now? you can also see on the other side of the case they have punched behind the bearing 

nick ive got some cases

 

How much we talking mate?

 

 

 

You can get the case machined slightly larger and have a sleeve machined up and pressed in to save the casing. However, it might be cheaper to get another casing.

What a dreadful bodge job - I think we all feel sorry for you.

Let us know how we can help with any further advice or assistance. That's what we are here for.

 

I will see how much the machine shop want to sleeve it, probably going to be cheaper/quicker to replace the case.

 

Only just got myself a new first motion shaft bearing too so hopefully it will fit the new case if i get one.



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Posted 21 October 2013 - 03:45 PM

The other thing to do would be to build up the bearing recess with some aluminium weld then machine back. However, finding someone who can weld aluminium can be a problem.



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Posted 21 October 2013 - 06:14 PM

 

 

Looks like they got it out with a fork!

 

If the needle bearing came out that easy do you think i will need a new case now? you can also see on the other side of the case they have punched behind the bearing 

nick ive got some cases

 

How much we talking mate?

 

 

 

You can get the case machined slightly larger and have a sleeve machined up and pressed in to save the casing. However, it might be cheaper to get another casing.

What a dreadful bodge job - I think we all feel sorry for you.

Let us know how we can help with any further advice or assistance. That's what we are here for.

 

I will see how much the machine shop want to sleeve it, probably going to be cheaper/quicker to replace the case.

 

Only just got myself a new first motion shaft bearing too so hopefully it will fit the new case if i get one.

 

£35 delivered



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Posted 21 October 2013 - 07:14 PM

 

 

 

Looks like they got it out with a fork!

 

If the needle bearing came out that easy do you think i will need a new case now? you can also see on the other side of the case they have punched behind the bearing 

nick ive got some cases

 

How much we talking mate?

 

 

 

You can get the case machined slightly larger and have a sleeve machined up and pressed in to save the casing. However, it might be cheaper to get another casing.

What a dreadful bodge job - I think we all feel sorry for you.

Let us know how we can help with any further advice or assistance. That's what we are here for.

 

I will see how much the machine shop want to sleeve it, probably going to be cheaper/quicker to replace the case.

 

Only just got myself a new first motion shaft bearing too so hopefully it will fit the new case if i get one.

 

£35 delivered

 

Ok cheers i will be in touch soon if i need it



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Posted 22 October 2013 - 01:58 PM

Can anyone tell me what difference if any is their between a turbo unit clutch case and a standard 1275 clutch case?

 

I know the turbo unit takes a different 1st motion bearing which i have had to buy already.

 

Thanks






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