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[MIGLIACARS]

i have cranks the correct key and bolts if u need them.

 

 

check the syncro s on second gear and play in the bearings

 

pre verto is bigger

 

 

did u pay for the engine build

[Nick Warwick]

Ok mate cheers i may be in touch once i get the full picture on the crank condition. Will do.

 

No i payed for the engine that was being sold as rebuilt and ready for dropping straight in, with a list of things thats had been replaced. 

 

At this rate i might as well replace the pistons with the correct cc to get rid of the small head shim.

[MIGLIACARS]

was it that place in bradford that sells recon!????????        engines on ebay

[Nick Warwick]

was it that place in bradford that sells recon!????????        engines on ebay

 

Naaa somebody on here mate

[Yoda]

I will be very interested to see a name now, My son was sold a turbo engine a while back> It was sold in good faith but the crank nose was spin welded to the clutch boss due to the lock washer being hammered in the wrong way round and then bolted up, obviously the tabs had sheared off. and we ended up having to literally cut the boss in half to remove it. We were left with a useless crank and various other parts of the engine had issues. We tried the head on another engine and that showed up serious wear in the valve guides amongst other things. The seller was very concerned and made up for the problem as best as he could at the time, but we have had to suffer a huge loss. we paid 800 quid and basically the only usable part has been the head which Turbo Phil has reworked for us.

 

I can find out who sold the engine to the guy that sold it to us in good faith, who simply passed it on to us as he was originally keeping it as a spare but needed some cash.

 

So please, name and shame. 

[minimadles]

My seven year old son could have done a better job of building that +1 for the name and shame come on you know who you are!!!!!!!

[Nick Warwick]

The problem with me naming the guy who built the engine is that it could be his fault and it also might not be. This is due to the guy selling it to another person on here who only owned it for about a month and told me he hasn't touched anything on the engine which brings us back to the original guy.

 

Now i am stuck with who is the culprit here, i don't want to go throwing a name out that could be the wrong person and cause a load of crap.

 

Anyway back to the engine problems 

 

Am i correct in thinking that the smashed bearing in the clutch case is the 1st motion shaft bearing?

 

A closer look at the crank last night i think it will need a regrind 

[minimadles]

If you take the bearing shells out of the caps and have a look on the reverse side it will have the over size stamped on std bearings usually just have the part number

[GraemeC]

 

You'll need to strip the timing gears etc off and remove the two screw behind the crank pulley to remove the main bearing cap at the front of the engine.
Also - it looks like a pre-verto flywheel bolt was used, no wonder it wasn't tight. With the right bolt the socket fitting won't be a problem.

Ah right didnt know that held the cap in place thanks.

Hahahaha it just gets better and better, is the preverto bolt bigger hence the reason you cant get a socket over it when its close to getting tight due to the flywheel boss?

 

 

The verto flywheel bolt is very different from the pre-verto one.  The lock washer is an integral part of the bolt assembly and (from memory as I only use pre-verto stuff)) fits inside the the flywheel nose.  Yours looks like the bigger headed pre-verto bolt with the pre-verto lock washer mashed as far ino the flywheel as it would go (not far!). You can see that the bolt never actually made it as far as tightening the flywheel and key washer down.

[Nick Warwick]

Anyone got any ways of removing the crank pulley bolt without the flywheel fitted?

Is the thread reversed? Don't want to be tightening it when it's the opposite way!

Just checked a bearing and they say standard on the back.

[Yoda]

The problem with me naming the guy who built the engine is that it could be his fault and it also might not be. This is due to the guy selling it to another person on here who only owned it for about a month and told me he hasn't touched anything on the engine which brings us back to the original guy.

 

 

 

That is exactly what happened to us, so thats why i wish to know the history of where yours comes from. It seems more than coincidence that two turbo engines built by A N OTHER have very similar faults! You could always PM me the details?

[GraemeC]

Anyone got any ways of removing the crank pulley bolt without the flywheel fitted?

Is the thread reversed? Don't want to be tightening it when it's the opposite way!

Just checked a bearing and they say standard on the back.

 

Sturdy block of wood down the side of the crank.

Edited by GraemeC, 04 October 2013 - 06:07 PM.

[Nick Warwick]

 

Anyone got any ways of removing the crank pulley bolt without the flywheel fitted?

Is the thread reversed? Don't want to be tightening it when it's the opposite way!

Just checked a bearing and they say standard on the back.

 

Sturdy block of wood down the side of the crank.

 

Did this in the end haha cheers.

 

Need your opinions on the crank condition please guys

 

 

Also a timing gear photo in case you can spot anything wrong.

[Alex_B]

Wow impressive build thus far it seems! And loving the timing settings, dot to dot or what! I bet you're glad you decided to strip it back and start again now!

[tiger99]

There are problems with your crank, although it is always hard to tell from photos. Your photos are better than most that we see here, but even so, there is no substitute for seeing the real thing.

 

If I am interpreting the photos correctly, there is galling on the surface on which the primary gear runs, some corrosion around the edges of some bearings, the pulley has been loose at some time, and marks which may suggest that the bearing shells have been too tight (typically caused by mixing up the caps).

 

It is possible that the crankshaft bearing journals will polish up ok, but I would not guarantee it. I don't see how the primary gear bush is going to have anything but a very short life.

 

It makes me sick every time that I see someone being ripped off in this way. The legal situation is complex if you bought it privately from someone who boughgt it from a professional reconditioner, because you don't have much easily enforceable legal protection in private transactions. However, if the person who sold the engine to you wants to cooperate to protect his reputation, which would be sensible, I would suggest that a joint approach to the original supplier demanding a refund would be appropriate, then you could mention naming and shaming on this forum (if they have any sense * at all, they will see that the cost of lost business will far exceed your refund), and if they don't then give a full refund, then a joint approach to Trading Standards. There is nothing to loose by trying. I understand your reluctance to possibly blame a possibly innocent party here on the forum, and that is very commendable, but when circumstances permit I hope that you will be able to name and shame, to help protect everyone from rogue traders.

 

* You don't need to be a super-genius to be able to assemble an A series engine correctly, so maybe they don't have any business sense either?