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[paulrockliffe]

On this thread:

http://www.theminifo...showtopic=69641

Dan said:

As MiniKid implies, whether it still counts as the original car or not depends on how much it is modified. The rules treat 'radically altered' cars and kit cars in the same way. A lot of people kid themselves that their car is still original despite being very different from the way it came down the line and simply don't bother getting the test done. The drawback to this is that it leaves them open to prosecution in the future if or when somebody official finds out. If there is an accident involoving a radically altered vehicle that is insured as standard then the car and driver wouldn't be covered at all. Unfortunately there are no longer any up to date official on-line sources of information on this since the DVLA's own website was absorbed into the Direct Gov site which is riddled with errors. You should try phoning the DVLA or visiting a local licensing office and getting information from there directly. Or see if there are any kit car forums that may know the information.

[VulcanBomber]

On this thread:

http://www.theminifo...p;hl=direct.gov

Dan says:

That section from the Direct Gov site is incorrect, for some reason when the Direct Gov people added the 'registering kit cars' information from the DVLA they used a version that was about 6 months out of date and have never modified it since. The method now requires the original or unused new replacement body and at least two major assemblies to be kept from the original car. Or maybe it was the DVLA who were quoting it wrongly shortly before their site was absorbed, since Direct Gov is the only on-line source of the info there is no easy way to know which system is more up to date. And if you phone the DVLA and ask, the person on the phone will only check the website anyway!

In fact that was in response to a similar question from your good self.

That agrees with what I am saying, thanks!

[VulcanBomber]

On this thread:

http://www.theminifo...showtopic=69641

Dan said:

As MiniKid implies, whether it still counts as the original car or not depends on how much it is modified. The rules treat 'radically altered' cars and kit cars in the same way. A lot of people kid themselves that their car is still original despite being very different from the way it came down the line and simply don't bother getting the test done. The drawback to this is that it leaves them open to prosecution in the future if or when somebody official finds out. If there is an accident involoving a radically altered vehicle that is insured as standard then the car and driver wouldn't be covered at all. Unfortunately there are no longer any up to date official on-line sources of information on this since the DVLA's own website was absorbed into the Direct Gov site which is riddled with errors. You should try phoning the DVLA or visiting a local licensing office and getting information from there directly. Or see if there are any kit car forums that may know the information.

So we have a lot of people from here but not one direct answer to the main point. It meeds to come from an official source. If I purchased this car and quoted this site if I were found to be driving an illegal car, it would hold any weight at all.

[biggav]

Well...


I've just read the whole thread again and......


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AAAM OOT!!!!!!


If the shell he used was brand new from heritage and he has the cert then i don't think there's much wrong with it.... if he's used the shell, engine and subframes from a registed MPI and simply transfered the VIN then i wouldn't buy it.

[VulcanBomber]

VulcanBomber

You seem determined to get this guy, I see your on pistonheads as well!

David

I am not out to get him at all. I was very annoyed that he wouldn’t answer one question that I sent him or call me. I wanted to ask people opinion on here and PH to see if this Mini was legal before I bid (Yes I am serious about bidding), but so far I have not been able to get a definitive answer anywhere with links to official info or guidelines.

I am not interested in reporting this to any agency, I hope the guy gets a good price, but not from me unless I can find out if it legit, I also hope the person buying the car goes in with their eyes wide open to the sale and checks all the VIN and engine numbers before the sale is complete.

So far I know that the engine numbers do not match to the V5 but I cant ascertain if the shell used was new or not, this is why I have asked Russ, as a BiB, to investigate any wrong doing.

[VulcanBomber]

Well...


I've just read the whole thread again and......


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AAAM OOT!!!!!!


If the shell he used was brand new from heritage and he has the cert then i don't think there's much wrong with it.... if he's used the shell, engine and subframes from a registed MPI and simply transfered the VIN then i wouldn't buy it.

Thats my point too, I am really dissapointed this guy wont call, because the car looks great and would be a good basis to my supercharger project.

[paulrockliffe]

So we have a lot of people from here but not one direct answer to the main point. It meeds to come from an official source. If I purchased this car and quoted this site if I were found to be driving an illegal car, it would hold any weight at all.

I don't really understand your point, if you're found to be driving a legal car ignorance is no defence so it doesn't matter what any website says.

The DVLA don't have the information on their website because its been devolved to the direct.gov website, which has got out of date information on it, so there isn't any website I can point you to with the correct information from an official source. I'm sure if I tell you I've spoken to the DVLA about this you won't take my word for it, so you'll have to ring them yourself if you want to know any better than the evidence, such that it is, that I've given you.

I'm just trying to inform you as best as I can, perhaps you could read through Dan's posts through out this forum to see how likely it is that he's dishing out duff information.

[VulcanBomber]

So we have a lot of people from here but not one direct answer to the main point. It meeds to come from an official source. If I purchased this car and quoted this site if I were found to be driving an illegal car, it would hold any weight at all.

I don't really understand your point, if you're found to be driving a legal car ignorance is no defence so it doesn't matter what any website says.

The DVLA don't have the information on their website because its been devolved to the direct.gov website, which has got out of date information on it, so there isn't any website I can point you to with the correct information from an official source. I'm sure if I tell you I've spoken to the DVLA about this you won't take my word for it, so you'll have to ring them yourself if you want to know any better than the evidence, such that it is, that I've given you.

I'm just trying to inform you as best as I can, perhaps you could read through Dan's posts through out this forum to see how likely it is that he's dishing out duff information.

I see what you are trying to do, help, which I thank you for but I will call them tomorrow and find out the score. I will also try to get it in writting so I can post it on here for others to see.

[paulrockliffe]

I see what you are trying to do, help, which I thank you for but I will call them tomorrow and find out the score. I will also try to get it in writting so I can post it on here for others to see.

Cool, good luck!

[VulcanBomber]

Just got off the phone to the DVLA

Basally if you have changed the body shell of the car, with a used shell, then you have to take al the information to your local DVLA office and present all of the invoices and receipts to them. They will make the decision as to weather or not enough points have been scored to keep the existing plate., but and this is a big but, if the body shell of the car has been replaced by a second hand shell then the car will receive a Q plate. this is because the car will have two chassis numbers, the one on the V5 from the original car and the one stamped in to the second hand shell. I also asked if you could have an age related plate, or private plate to at least disguise the Q plate and you can not.

So there you have it. The information on the direct.gov website is up to date. If you use a second hand shell for anything you have to have the car inspected and a Q plate issued, there is no way around it.

So the chances of me bidding on this car has gone from high to zero in a matter of days.

Thanks for your opinions, sorry if I ruffled a few feathers but I am sure that you understand I wanted to know if this was legit. Seems I have my answer now and I am walking away with my money.

[CMcB]

I thought if you wanted to 'keep' the current status then the shell needed to be brand new, unregistered from Heritage, otherwise would have to go on a Q plate.

He clearly says he got the shell off ebay, so what are the chances of this being very dodgy!

thats what i thought.

shell should be brand new from the company (or as close as. ie. Heritage) and as Heritage dont make MkI shells its not a MkI, it's an MPi late rover shell with a few MkI bits on, not even got external door hinges. No way this could be tax exempt.

[CMcB]

In the Q: section of the auction

Q: your mini is being slated on the mini forum, so bunch of . I tell you I sold a mini van to a kid he looked over the thing for over an hour complainig that it was not an original 1970 van but a latter 1980s van yet he still bought it then 2 weeks later said he was not happy and wanted his money back due to the fact that it was not a 1970 van I refused to give him his money back he took me to court over it and youll never belive it but he won the day???????????? He knew what he was buying befor he gave me the money I never held a gun to his head and the kick in the balls was I had to collect the van over 200 miles away and he ended up with over £400 worth of compensation. Just be carfull this does not hapen to you make it very clear with a receipt of what has been done to the mini. Buy the way it looks great wish I could have it lol Thanks Sean 17-Aug-08


A: thanks for the info. people are very sad if all they have to do all day is talk about wheather or not the car should be on a q plate. if it was it would be worthless! i was at mini in the park today and saw a 1990 mini mayfair which had a 1964 b plate on it. it had nothing 1964 about it. it even had all the mayfair stickers on it. everyone does it. its just to what extent its been done. i cant see how me building this car pretty much from scratch from parts ive bought and trying to keep it origanal as possible and looking like it should is so out of the ordinary? at least its not just had a set of number plates screwed on it. at least its trying to look like what it is. if we all went by the letter of the law then almost all of the cars you see at shows would be on a q plate. you show me a 49 year old mini thats been used all its life that has the origanal engine, glass, subframes etc, because if it hasnt according to everyone whos sad enough to coment on things that dont concern them it should go on a q plate! but im sure that who ever wins this will know exactly what it is and take it as that. many thanks to you and all of you who have written to me letting me know about all the anoracks comments.

[CaraMillar]

Had a look at the questions below and found this, maybe help a few make up their own mind, but then maybe not.


Q: your mini is being slated on the mini forum, so bunch of . I tell you I sold a mini van to a kid he looked over the thing for over an hour complainig that it was not an original 1970 van but a latter 1980s van yet he still bought it then 2 weeks later said he was not happy and wanted his money back due to the fact that it was not a 1970 van I refused to give him his money back he took me to court over it and youll never belive it but he won the day???????????? He knew what he was buying befor he gave me the money I never held a gun to his head and the kick in the balls was I had to collect the van over 200 miles away and he ended up with over £400 worth of compensation. Just be carfull this does not hapen to you make it very clear with a receipt of what has been done to the mini. Buy the way it looks great wish I could have it lol Thanks Sean 17-Aug-08
A: thanks for the info. people are very sad if all they have to do all day is talk about wheather or not the car should be on a q plate. if it was it would be worthless! i was at mini in the park today and saw a 1990 mini mayfair which had a 1964 b plate on it. it had nothing 1964 about it. it even had all the mayfair stickers on it. everyone does it. its just to what extent its been done. i cant see how me building this car pretty much from scratch from parts ive bought and trying to keep it origanal as possible and looking like it should is so out of the ordinary? at least its not just had a set of number plates screwed on it. at least its trying to look like what it is. if we all went by the letter of the law then almost all of the cars you see at shows would be on a q plate. you show me a 49 year old mini thats been used all its life that has the origanal engine, glass, subframes etc, because if it hasnt according to everyone whos sad enough to coment on things that dont concern them it should go on a q plate! but im sure that who ever wins this will know exactly what it is and take it as that. many thanks to you and all of you who have written to me letting me know about all the anoracks comments.

[CaraMillar]

argh literally seconds faster than me pmsl

[CMcB]

argh literally seconds faster than me pmsl

Doh!