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#136 pretzil

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Posted 05 June 2009 - 08:20 AM

Heres an idea, we could get a few people to 'break down' right outside the showrooms, blocking the entrances.

Not illegal, and they would have a hell of a job prooving other wise, cosidering everyone always say classic cars are unreliable.

I think we should do something serious about this, they clearly seem to think its a joke, and act like our heratige doesnt matter.

There must be someway in which we can organise a legal, protest?

burnard i like this idea
whos up for smething like this lol i think it would be funny as hell
or we could get everyone with really cool shiney minis to go park up there and prove to [people there better than they are being portrayed
because if we go in pairs one shows thir car of the other pretends to be looking lol

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Posted 05 June 2009 - 08:21 AM

There's a limit to what you can expect to achieve, if someone offers a Mini to a garage under the crappage scheme, their refusing it will just lose the sale, and Mini, to another garage. It's still well worth kicking up a fuss, I don't see why we can't persuade MINI and their dealerships, in particular, that it would be better business sense to save any half decent Minis when you set their resale value against £1k of government blood money.

Even if we don't save a single car we can milk the publicity, for Mini's benefit, as ruthlessly as any multinational business.

If anyone is close enough a good, and legal, photographic publicity stunt is worth considering. I did email a few National papers, but they aren't likely to initiate a story if they make money from related advertising accounts. Give them a good story to report and they might.


I know you can't stop anyone taking an old mini in for the scrappage allowance but it's not right that they use a proper mini to advertise in this way! They are selling the new mini on the iconic status of the old one(it would not have been so successful for them if it were not for the classic mini) and trying to unite owners of classic and new and then pull a stunt like this, what a joke! Looks like they'll lose quite a few future sales to proper mini enthusiasts.

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Posted 05 June 2009 - 08:25 AM

This is a copy of the email back from MINI UK

Dear ------

Thank you for your recent email. I am sorry to hear that Douglas Park Hamilton's current scrappage scheme advertising has prompted you to contact MINI UK with your concerns. I can assure you that it was not the intention of the dealership to cause offence to you or any other mini owner.

I have spoken to Mr Clive Little, Dealer Principal of Douglas Park Hamilton and he has advised me that the mini advertising the scheme has been traded in at the dealership. Mr Little and his staff were unaware that their advertising has prompted such a reaction and I have forwarded your comments to him for his reference.

MINI UK and our approved dealership network understand that the original mini is and will always remain a classic. Unfortunately, the specific mini outside of Douglas Park has reached the end of its life and will be scrapped in a few weeks time.

I am sorry that you are considering selling your current MINI due to this matter and I hope that you will reconsider this action. If you should require any further information, please feel free to contact me.

Yours sincerely
MINI Group UK
Zoe Shambrook
Customer Service Executive
Ellesfield Avenue
Bracknell RG12 8TA
Tel: 01256 747474
Fax: 0870 5050205
Mail: customer.service@mini.co.uk
URL: www.mini.co.uk

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Posted 05 June 2009 - 08:26 AM

I have been in touch with BMW who were unaware but are now looking into it. Bear with me.

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Posted 05 June 2009 - 08:31 AM

we should all contact that zoe person
if we all email her a hate thing saying how cheesed of we are
then maby therly understand
and maby someone can buy it off them and save it
no mini ever reaches its end of life
unless its rotten to th core
which that doesnt look!

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Posted 05 June 2009 - 08:43 AM

It's a tough one to be honest. I obviously hate the thought of Minis being destroyed when they are savable, but then again look at it from the dealer's point of view.

Clearly they aren't classic Mini enthusiasts, they are businessmen, and from a business point of view the best way to illustrate the scrappage scheme if you sell new MINIs is to put out an old Mini, and show that it can be worth money off of a new one.

Classic Mini owners are clearly offended, but what percentage of MINI owners are, or recently were, Mini owners? I don't have the stats but I am guessing very low in the grand scheme of things.

They are appealing to the general public who will see and old car - that to many people reminds them of the past, but they don't see as a viable every day car now - and will see they can get a discount off of a brand new car if they have something similar to trade in. I don't think they are trying to get Mini owners to trade up, or encourage people to scrap Minis (there isn't enough business there), they are merely trying to catch people's eyes as they drive past, and as we all know a Mini is eye catching.

I see it as them using the most eye catching car they could put out, that is linked to their brand (whether we like it or not), to get people's attention and advertise the scheme, not as an attack on Minis and a way of suggesting they should all be crushed.

I may get shot down for this but it's just my opinion - as I said I don't like it any more than anyone else, I wish I had the money to save Minis from crushing/scrapping/destruction/rust etc as none of us like to see the numbers go down.

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Posted 05 June 2009 - 08:49 AM

Since day one BMW have wanted to clear the British roads of Minis, trying to close all the Mini traders, not wanting to be associated with them. This is just another chance to get rid of a few more. It's the individual's choice whether they take the scrappage trade in offer, but it's typical of BMW to use a Mini to advertise the scheme. What's the point in complaining to BMW, they will just pretend they didn't know. Complain to the national press/TV etc. so that everyone can see what a sham BMW's Blobs united really was, they are not interested in Minis, only what Mini 50 can do for their own marketing purposes. It's about time the national media pointed out to them that their imposter is celebrating it's ninth birthday this year, not 50.

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Posted 05 June 2009 - 08:56 AM

BMW are not behind this scheme, and should not be blamed for it - and people like you MiniKay should know better. This was the DEALER's action, not BMW's.

As mentioned, BMW are looking into this and they seem as surprised as us - so let's give them a chance and see what they do. Please.

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Posted 05 June 2009 - 09:03 AM

If they wanted it to be eye catching they should have put an old M3 up there but I guess they would not want to tarnish BMW would they!!! They could have just taken the car and scrapped it but instead they parade it for the whole mini fraternity to see. Shame on them! It would be such a shame if sales got even worse and they find themselves in trouble like all they other manufacturers that are folding.

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Posted 05 June 2009 - 09:13 AM

you know what theres a big delearship on the a127 just down the road from me, i might go see what they do because at one point and im not lieing there was a mini in their carpark for some time, i wonder whats heppened to that? it was blue but a real nice bab blue with a white roof, ill have a looky and let you guys know as i would be horrified if that ones copied these buggers!
it is true though
they are only 9 years old not 50
that really does sicken me and i know im repeating what thousands of people have already said before but its kinda a fact - they arnt a mini their the name - and they are 9 not 50 lol
but lets see what happens then - oh and by the way cmcb you really look like an old friend of mine called dave lol
just thought id add that in :D

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Posted 05 June 2009 - 09:17 AM

If they wanted it to be eye catching they should have put an old M3 up there but I guess they would not want to tarnish BMW would they!!!


It might just be me but I think more people would notice and look at a Mini than an old M3

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Posted 05 June 2009 - 09:40 AM

I personally don't believe that car has come in under the scrappage scheme.

Surely ANY person who owns a car, whether they considering the scrappage scheme or not, checks the value of their car before they trade it in?

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Posted 05 June 2009 - 09:50 AM

Phew, can, worms, opened! :lol:

I have also protested by email to Hamiltons and most other enthusiasts over on the MINI forums also think this is wrong and will be complaining to them.
But don't forget it was this Government (and Europe) who started these schemes, the car also has to have been owned by the person trading it in for at least 1 year with a valid MOT and at the end of the day it is the owners personal decision to trade in their beloved car for the scheme, no one has to do this................

(Once any car has been traded in under the scheme even the Dealer can't save the car or sell it on, as the government will not release any money towards the new car unless a destruction order for the old vehicle has been officially issued).

BMW/MINI are not in the first instance the ones to blame (and neither are MINI enthusiasts, most of whom are also shocked by this and are also writing to complain) it's the dealership (this Margaret person) that has done this, as MiniWorld said in their news piece: "Margaret added that their choice of an original Mini to advertise the car scrappage scheme was not official BMW policy".

Also it's this $%£^&*$ s*dding government who have brought in the scheme as mab01uk says!

Anyway, complain to the dealers themselves and I suggest copy in MINI UK as well because frankly, like it or not, they are the most likely people to stop this kind of thing from their dealers. Also e-mailing or writing a letter is going to have a far greater impact than phoning, particularly if MINI UK are aware of the number of written complaints.

No! All classic car scenes need to come together if this is going to work at all. Beetles have alot of people that will take part, and older skodas and volvos etc are alot more scarce than the mini is so these need to be saved even more so! We all need to unite.

Absolutely agree, frankly I think it's out of order to call for other cherished classics to be scrapped - the classic car community have been campaigning on this issue for quite a while now and I respect them for that (and have signed all the petitions too). We should unite but keep this in perspective!

In the original scrappage threads here some people were denying any Minis were going to be scrapped, they even continued to do this when I presented them with evidence that at one Toyota dealership two had been scrapped in the first few days of the scheme. There were people who frankly couldn't give a stuff when I quoted Classic Car Weekly who had discovered that one of only 20 examples remaining of a 70s model had been scrapped. Now we have this sportspack which is going to be scrapped and there's the most incredible amount of noise, much of it banging on about BMW etc. That's a side issue, as CMcB has said MINI/BMW are looking into the issue and I'd suggest they are the best hope of getting these idiots ... ooops ... 'dealers' :rolleyes: to reconsider so lets see what they say. In the meantime show your strength of feeling by:

1. Emailing/writing to the dealers and BMW/MINI (making it polite and well argued, rants will just get binned and do more damage than good!)

2. Sign the Classic Car Weekly anti-scrappage petition and show your support for all classic cars and the whole classic community.

Lastly, the thread title "Mini United (yeah Right)" - well actually wrong, MINI enthusiasts, like classic enthusiasts, are already voicing their disquiet at what has happened and have written to complain so we are and can be united! :D

Edited by roga, 05 June 2009 - 09:51 AM.


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Posted 05 June 2009 - 10:14 AM

Bad move for BMW/MINI there... just as I had warmed to them with their enthusiasm of the MINI's roots and original design, they go and pull a stunt like that... back to square one...
Even if they are not behind it, it doesn't look good.
I hope they can fix this, because the relationship between the classic and modern mini has been a little uneasy (to say the least) and I can't help but think that this will just make things worse.
Where are the petitions to stop the scheme? I'm a firm believer in classics getting a second chance and prefer them to modern cars, more character, more fun and I can work on them myself.

If I had my way, i'd knock £2000 if the buyers of a new MINI have a classic mini on the road, taxed and MOT'd.
Obviously this isn't particularly good business sense but displaying a piece of our heritage as "cash for scrap" is taking the michael...

Edited by Matt.P, 05 June 2009 - 10:33 AM.


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Posted 05 June 2009 - 10:32 AM

Bad move for BMW/MINI there... just as I had warmed to them with their enthusiasm of the MINI's roots and original design, they go and pull a stunt like that... back to square one...

Not sure about that - as far as we know at the moment this is just down to one/two (?) dealers not BMW/MINI - let's wait and see what they have to say in reply to CMcB. :D




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